Car is unstable after lowering, Rims
Originally Posted by SM00TH976' date='Jan 29 2005, 07:58 AM
pony up the dough for a true race coilover setup (not tein or jic.)
oh really? then show me a single person who is serious about autoxing (and is actually competitive) that uses tein products. anyone who's got the budget will go for something along the lines of moton or penske. tein is a step up for commuter cars (civics, sentras, etc.) but quite a step down from the stock s2k suspension. if you'd rather take a company's reputation over actual real world track testing, then go right ahead, but their's a reason all the major autoxers use penske and moton.
one thing i will say about the tein coilvers is that at least the spring rates are matched to the shocks, but other than that, they are just another overpriced suspension downgrade.
here's a quote from the autox suspension faq in the racing and competition forum. it was based upon the setups of many of the fastest autox S2000's in the country. kinda funny, but i don't see anything about tein in there.
edit: btw, i forgot to mention ohlins and jrz's. both are also good shocks. this is not the first time that someone has disagreed with my stance on suspension upgrades (or downgrades) for the s2k, nor will it be the last. people like to think that the $$$ they just spent on their shiny new jdm setup wasn't just flushed down the toilet.
i have the stock suspension on my car and it will stay stock. it's just not worth the $$$ to go with a better setup for the ocasional autox/track day.
this is all i'm going to say in this thread. i've said my piece, i don't want to bring a bunch of BS internet arguing into a simple thread about springs. odds are no matter what i say you are going to disagree with me and i am going to disagree with you. so let's agree to disagree.
one thing i will say about the tein coilvers is that at least the spring rates are matched to the shocks, but other than that, they are just another overpriced suspension downgrade.
here's a quote from the autox suspension faq in the racing and competition forum. it was based upon the setups of many of the fastest autox S2000's in the country. kinda funny, but i don't see anything about tein in there.

The S2000 benefits significantly from high-end shocks; properly configured, they make the car much more controllable at the limit. At the risk of making a somewhat controversial assertion, this is primarily due to the custom valving that goes into them rather than any fundamental advantage inherent to their construction; S2000 shocks custom valved for autocross tend to be significantly stiffer than either the stock units or the Koni Yellows. With that in mind, when shopping for high-end shocks, be sure to go to a vendor with S2000-specific autocross knowledge. Some vendors with this experience include King Motorsports in Illinois (who supplied the Motons on Jason Saini's 2003 championship-winning car), Ankeny Racing Enterprises in California (who valved the Penskes on Andy McKee's 2002 championship-winning car), and Fordahl Motorsports in Washington (who provided the JRZs on my car, which has yet to win anything smile.gif, and who do Motons as well). Expect to pay out the nose for custom-valved high-end shocks; prices start range from $2000-$4000 for a set. If shopping for high-end shocks, keep in mind that the SCCA Stock rules only allow two external adjustments.
edit: btw, i forgot to mention ohlins and jrz's. both are also good shocks. this is not the first time that someone has disagreed with my stance on suspension upgrades (or downgrades) for the s2k, nor will it be the last. people like to think that the $$$ they just spent on their shiny new jdm setup wasn't just flushed down the toilet.
i have the stock suspension on my car and it will stay stock. it's just not worth the $$$ to go with a better setup for the ocasional autox/track day.
this is all i'm going to say in this thread. i've said my piece, i don't want to bring a bunch of BS internet arguing into a simple thread about springs. odds are no matter what i say you are going to disagree with me and i am going to disagree with you. so let's agree to disagree.
Originally Posted by ADAM_ROB_UK' date='Jan 29 2005, 04:53 AM
if you had the problem when you installed the springs....
you should contact Xviper, explain your problem to him, he is very good at sorting out problems and should be able to help you out, hopfully with out spending and cash.
or you can
take your car to a good garage and get them to do the camber and alignment of all the wheels. (make sure you have your new wheels on when you do that), that should sort out your problem...
you should contact Xviper, explain your problem to him, he is very good at sorting out problems and should be able to help you out, hopfully with out spending and cash.
or you can
take your car to a good garage and get them to do the camber and alignment of all the wheels. (make sure you have your new wheels on when you do that), that should sort out your problem...
Originally Posted by revhi' date='Jan 29 2005, 11:37 AM
Back to the original question, Did you get hub centric rings with the wheels?
I quess the only thing that I can try now is to go get an alignment, I ve heard that the problem could be that the cambers are off. What do u guys think? It don t matter too much that the car doesn t handle corners or ride as smooth as it use too but I just want it to be drivable. Right now I just don t feel safe in it when the ground is wet. Feels like the car is going in the opposite direction that I m steering sometimes. I had to drive like 30 mph all the way home on the highway yesterday. Its rides fine though when the roads are dry.
once you do suspension upgrades of course the car is gonna feel like that. You said you putm in coilovers, but what about the rest of the suspension did you upgrade shocks/struts? did you get the wheels balanced? You need to do all that in order to still ride smoothly when you put in coilovers, I learned from experience on my other car. I put in the adjustable coilovers and rims but did'nt upgrade anything else. The rims were not balanced with the little weights and the coilovers were lowered with the stock suspension still in = the car was bouncing up and down and wheels shaking and wobling at speeds over 50mph. So that probably is what you need for a smoother ride.
any shop that puts tires on wheels without balancing them should be firebombed. i SERIOUSLY doubt that has anything to do with the problem. no respectable shop would do that.
in an effort to not be a total dick in this thread, i know there is a shop that makes adjustable ball joints that should help you out in the camber department. that should make the car less squirrely.
in an effort to not be a total dick in this thread, i know there is a shop that makes adjustable ball joints that should help you out in the camber department. that should make the car less squirrely.




