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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by honda606,Jan 20 2005, 01:41 PM
You probably won't find an account of a Cusco cage failing because any racer that knows his stuff wouldn't have that in their car staking their life on it.
Tell that to many of the Japan race teams that run the full cages from Cusco.

Kei Office
Signal Auto
Orange Julius
Goto Garage

to name a few..

I agree these will fold but for them to be as unsafe as a handful of you think is kinda crazy..Thats all I am saying. No need to get all crazy. There will always be people for or against these cages.
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JsAP1,Jan 20 2005, 02:32 PM
I was driving 85 mph on H1 and a tow truck in front of me had a lot of metallic trash and car parts that broke loose when he passed me going 90 mph. I ran into most of it going 85 mph (really more like 70 mph) and my front bumper and the impact ripped out my whole rear end. I spun out and went off the road. My head didnt once hit the bar nor did my wifes head. I didnt have anytime to react because it happen'd in a blink of the eye and it was all over the road. Yes this was over the speed limit in Hawaii and in California. I have toned it down a bit since then. You really never know what you will hit or who will hit you and road, weather conditions all play into it as well.

I have been in over 90 mph without a cage in a Nissan.

Whats the highest impact you have had?
So you've NEVER had an impact in a car with a Cusco cage!!! And yet, you're claiming to have FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE that it's IMPOSSIBLE to get hurt with one in the car. I'm done here. Anyone dumb enough to listen to you after reading your posts in this thread deserves the head-bashing they'll get.
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by payneinthe,Jan 20 2005, 02:26 PM
So you've NEVER had an impact in a car with a Cusco cage!!! And yet, you're claiming to have FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE that it's IMPOSSIBLE to get hurt with one in the car. I'm done here. Anyone dumb enough to listen to you after reading your posts in this thread deserves the head-bashing they'll get.
Yeah ok tough guy. You didnt read it so I will explain it for you so you can understand. I hit objects in the road that were huge enough to consider it an impact because it threw/jerked us off the road. If you cant see that than thats you I guess.
Once again the communication process is broken down. I said first hand experience with rolling a car. Man READ the posts guy.
Anyway I am through here. Believe what you want. I know your wrong and you cant back it up with any facts or proof of an S2000 cage failing... Good day sir!
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 02:43 PM
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You could aways pad the parts of the cage that your head is suceptable (sp) of hitting or am I wrong.

On a side note, do all roll cages require the seat to be slid forward? Im a tall guy and would like to get one.
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JsAP1,Jan 20 2005, 03:29 PM
Yeah ok tough guy. You didnt read it so I will explain it for you so you can understand. I hit objects in the road that were huge enough to consider it an impact because it threw/jerked us off the road. If you cant see that than thats you I guess.
Once again the communication process is broken down. I said first hand experience with rolling a car. Man READ the posts guy.
Anyway I am through here. Believe what you want. I know your wrong and you cant back it up with any facts or proof of an S2000 cage failing... Good day sir!
I understand what you're saying. However, I don't need to show you a crushed cage in order for it to be dangerous. How about you showing me pictures of Cusco cages that have been involved in serious accidents to prove it's acceptable? I could agree with you, but it wouldn't make the damn thing any safer.
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 05:59 PM
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JsAP1 ... LMAO, everytime when you open your mouth when you attach those subtle braggings, you ought to check back to see what you're saying. Bling all you like, at the end of the day.

You don't even use the car for what it's designed or modified to do (Which multiple members have often put that in your face). Of course, it's your money. You can do whatever you like.

But if you want to joke about safety. Watch the real experienced ones come out and shoot you down. Move this to the autocross forum, not only will JDM bling fail to convince but it'd be so quickly forgotten along with your ego swept away with that.

Originally Posted by JsAP1
I have been modding and working on this car for 4 years. Most of these people above didnt even own an S2000 when we were crunching numbers/offsets for BBK back in 2001 and working with cage clearance issues, etc, etc, etc.
If I have to give a bragging award to someone in S2Ki of all time, you'd win hands down. Just because you always show off what you've changed or done to your car, it doesn't mean you're the first or pioneer. My god, I'm glad you don't own the first Enzo, otherwise even the President will have to hear about your adventures for attention.

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I really dont care if people "think" that this cage is crap. I know its not. I had the Safety 21 cage as well. Why arent you kids bashing that cage either?
Safety 21 and Cusco is the same $hit, just a color variant along with more weight. Both are rubbish along with the next load of comments you're going to literally prove to everyone you talk more than you actually think. It's like blowing a load without thinking of the consequences, well done.

Originally Posted by JsAP1
I know that but thats what they always gripe about. Any aftermarket JDM cage will not hold up in a crash. Thats a fact. Until they actually test this in an S2000 you can't assume. Thats the bottom line. I know my cage wont hold up in a crazy rollover crash. Unless the cage is welded in the car it wont hold. They will fold like toothpicks. But everyone keeps bashing on it. There will always be people that will say I have no clue, when in fact I have owned/been there done that and can speak with experience vs what a magazine or what someone else says. You know what I mean?
Do you yourself know what you're saying or what you truly mean? First you propagate how good it is, refer to your own quotes above and then you say it won't hold up in a crash. Sorry, but WTF is so good if a roll bar/cage is not designed to prevent injury and minimize impact? If you're talking about the bling paint and manufacturer branding, you're beyond stupid. Do JDM manufacturers pay you money to speak on behalf of them if they get bagged or bashed? Or do you feel you own credit to speak on behalf of them cuz you're so good but yet don't even race your car with all those parts? Rhetorical BS.

Originally Posted by JsAP1
My buddy in Hawaii just crashed his car with a 8 point custom welded cage going 140mph and he rolled several times and the cage held and his head were just fine. He has about 5 inches of head clearance. He also said there isnt a bolt in cage on the market for the S2k that will hold up in a crash of that magnitude.
Your buddy has basic intelligence beyond bling. Note the key word is weld and not bolt-on. No bolt-on cage for any car will hold up in a crash. If it did, nobody would have to be welding and making custom fabrications! The last quote is golden.

Originally Posted by JsAP1
Tell that to many of the Japan race teams that run the full cages from Cusco. Kei Office, Signal Auto, Orange Julius, Goto Garage. I agree these will fold but for them to be as unsafe as a handful of you think is kinda crazy.
You constantly contradict and shoot yourself in the foot without anyone having to say anything personal against you. BTW, none of those so called race teams are involved in full time racing or part of any GT competition series. They're your weekend backyard race garages or drift teams and comparing them with GT race teams, is heaven and hell. And no, we're not crazy. You are crazy for advocating it's safe when you clearly said it won't hold up in an accident.

My final cliffnote in summary of your own rhetorical crap - JsAP1 supports and loves the bling of the Cusco roll cage/bar. It will not protect you in an accident or crash but it looks good. So get it, it's worth more than your life. And BTW, JsAP1 does not even track, race his car.
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SSS 01,Jan 20 2005, 07:59 PM
Your buddy has basic intelligence beyond bling. Note the key word is weld and not bolt-on. No bolt-on cage for any car will hold up in a crash. If it did, nobody would have to be welding and making custom fabrications! The last quote is golden.
The bolts aren't necessarily the structural problem. Bolt-on rollbars and cages can be safe. Even cages and bars held together by bolts can be safe. But when the bars contain bends at key points, too-thin steel, poor welds and no triangulation --- that is what really separates the crap from the rest. My Elda bar is bolt-in, but I trust it with my life. It is well-engineered, is made to SCCA specifications(wall thickness, tube diameter, inclusion angle, backing plate thickness, hardware grade,....) and has high-quality welds.
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 10:14 PM
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Damn people I didn't know this shiet was going to turn out to be like this! I don't track my car or anything, and just wanted to know which one is effective. Meaning from CUSCO 5 pt and 6 pt. Just wondering which one stiffen up the chassis a little more than the other. Anyways thank for all your help!
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 07:42 AM
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...and we've already answered you in a roundabout way concluding that Cusco cages are for bling purposes solely.

SSS 01...excellent reply. I don't think any further discussion will be necessary.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 02:59 PM
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well put SSS 01
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