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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 06:10 PM
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wow, this post has gone downhill.. lol Everyone, read my lips, a car with swapped out gears would b faster than a stock s2k. Those who doubt it should race someone that has this mod.... maybe this is the only way to convince you guys.... i've been spanked several times now by my friend w/ a 4.44 swap...(my mods r intake n exhaust), n yes we switched drivers...
y r people having a hard time accepting this?? y?? lol sheesh.


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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by gameson,Aug 23 2005, 08:03 PM
gears mod is just a final gear ratio difference, right?

If it's right, can I ask something?

If the 4.57 or 4.44 is supposedly better than the stock, why doesn't Honda use that gear ratio instead? Why do they go the other way? Does it cost more for Honda to achieve the 4.57 or 4.44 gear ratio compare to the stock one?

Just curious. Thanks.
the same could be asked by any manufacturer. maybe it's because the freeway mpg goes down slightly with the 4.57 gears, or any number of other different reasons. most manufacturers do not base their final drive gear selection based off of performance aspects alone.
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Wisconsin S2k,Aug 23 2005, 06:44 PM
ending speed won't matter, assuming you're racing for more than a 15mph range.
Ah, so you mean there's a gray area???

Originally Posted by Wisconsin S2k,Aug 23 2005, 06:44 PM
in the real world a perfect controlled environment isn't possible.
That's why you can't claim something is a fact based on a measurement with lots of independent variables. And I doubt you are willing to abuse your car to the extent necessary to really rule out the independent variables.

[QUOTE=Wisconsin S2k,Aug 23 2005, 06:44 PM]it's not a theory.
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 07:21 PM
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Thanks for the answer. I looked at the top speed post and I notice something. The higher the gear ratio, the less top speed the car can achieve. But then I re-read this post and I see that the higher the gear ratio, the faster the car accelerates.

Is my deduction true? If it's true, why so?

Thanks for the answer
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 07:22 PM
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Thanks for the answer. I looked at the top speed post and I notice something. The higher the gear ratio, the less top speed the car can achieve. But then I re-read this post and I see that the higher the gear ratio, the faster the car accelerates.

Is my deduction true? If it's true, why so?

Thanks for the answer
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kayoken,Aug 23 2005, 07:10 PM
wow, this post has gone downhill.. lol Everyone, read my lips, a car with swapped out gears would b faster than a stock s2k. Those who doubt it should race someone that has this mod.... maybe this is the only way to convince you guys.... i've been spanked several times now by my friend w/ a 4.44 swap...(my mods r intake n exhaust), n yes we switched drivers...
y r people having a hard time accepting this?? y?? lol sheesh.
It is obvious, those who doubt the gears have: A. Never driven an S with gears; and/or B. Never been taken for a ride in an S with gears. People who have the gears know the truth, those who don't resort to arguments. Nuff said, may this thread rest in peace because I know it has taken too much of my time already.

Ryan
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 08:04 PM
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jasonw, just wondering where you think the 4.57 gears will be detrimental to performance in the car. Other than some particular track situations, it doesn't sound like there are any. It sounds like the mod would be at least a slight benefit in most situations.
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by undertow,Aug 23 2005, 09:04 PM
jasonw, just wondering where you think the 4.57 gears will be detrimental to performance in the car. Other than some particular track situations, it doesn't sound like there are any. It sounds like the mod would be at least a slight benefit in most situations.
You answered your own question.
Originally Posted by undertow,Aug 23 2005, 09:04 PM
some particular track situations
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jasonw,Aug 23 2005, 09:18 PM
Ah, so you mean there's a gray area???
sure, if you want to pick nits. but i dont really "race" in such a small range, such as "start at 80, and stop at 90" situations. very rarely, if at all, would this have any real world implications.

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That's why you can't claim something is a fact based on a measurement with lots of independent variables. And I doubt you are willing to abuse your car to the extent necessary to really rule out the independent variables.
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by undertow,Aug 23 2005, 10:04 PM
jasonw, just wondering where you think the 4.57 gears will be detrimental to performance in the car. Other than some particular track situations, it doesn't sound like there are any. It sounds like the mod would be at least a slight benefit in most situations.
what he jasonw fails to mention or realize, is that those "situations" would overall be negligible to the results.

in other words, in the real world where we all live, the gearing provides an advantage 99% of the time. straight line, or track. this is in large, because the gearing provides a big gearing advantage, while keeping the shift points relatively close to stock. even getting up to speeds such as topping out 4th gear, the difference between the two is a mere 9-10mph.

he seems to feel that there is a track out there somewhere, that's designed specially to accommodate the 4.10 gearing of the S2000, just enough to disadvantage the 4.57 S2000 on every turn. could such a track exist? sure. but it's improbable. so once again, in other words, in real world situations, it's an advantage throughout.
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