I got the Muz roof well mat and that is great but I'm not so sure about the window protector, perhaps I'm doing something incorrectly. Where should this be before putting the top down? I put it squarely in the middle of the window, with the ends tucked under the top covering. I had the top down for a day and when I put it back up, there were actually two bad creases in the lower half of the window. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

not sure that i understand the question...
but
in my mind, you need two protections-
the muz mat does a great job of protecting the inside of the window.
you also need to protect the outside. i use two really thick detailers towels rolled up and put on the outside as the top is lowering. they keep the window from creasing and protect the outside...

 

I agree you need the muz mat and something like a swimming pool noodle, wrapped in flannel, on the outside

 

The window protector does exactly the same as a pool noodle. Whilst tucking it into the roof covering works best for some people I've found I personally get the best results by not tucking it into the roof. The tube is also made to be trimmed if neccessary. Try a search for earlier posts on the board. There was a rather long thread about the different lengths of tube that various people were using. It may simply need shortening a bit to best suit your particular circumstances.

 

What kind of special circumstances?

Mine? I bought the car. Knew about the scratching/crease problems. Bought the Muz Mat. Works silently and does its job. Scratches solved, but creases remain. Trying to avoid long-lasting creases, I always leave the top up overnight so the creases are gone by morning.

Got the tube to eliminate the typical creases as advertised (two horizontal lines where the plastic folds on top of itself). Whenver I put the top down, I make sure the plastic isn't bending or whatever. I know the procedure.

Just like the poster of this topic, I'm getting creases even with the Muz WP Tube in place. I tried first to put it into the folds of the top. Did not work. I then tried Muz's suggestion of putting the tube while the top is halfway down without sliding in the ends. Doesn't work.

Looks to me the protector tube just makes sure the plastic folds where it is supposed to fold acting as a guide. It does not, however, eliminate the two horizontal lines which are pretty much by design unavoidable because the plastic window does not simply fold in half.

Anyone else with me or am I doing it wrong?

 

Rather than repeating myself here's my earlier reply to Spaceneedle.

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Are you physically smoothing the window out when you get out to put the tube in place?

It sounds like your crease has been happening each time you lower the roof so your window is used to folding like that now. Mine used to do the same except I got a vertical zigzag crease in the middle of the top of my window.

Here's how I got rid of my creases.

Each time I lowered the roof I stopped it half way down and jumped out and smoothed the window out by hand. Then I'd jump back in and lower it fully. A PITA and it took me quite some time but it 'trained' my window to fold correctly i.e. it got used to folding without a vertical crease in it.

If you've been folding that crease into your window for some time it may take you a little while to get it used to folding without.

As mentioned before the tube is not a cure for removing creases, it's designed to protect the outside of your window from folding on itself (scratches) and help _prevent_ creases from forming in the first place.

I don't tuck my tube under the edges of the roof like some people prefer to do. Instead I lower my roof half way then place the tube in there and lower the rest of the way.

 

Muz, let me repeat myself. I do NOT have an "initial crease."

 

I understand what people are saying. I have a homemade "Miata Tube" that uses a piece of pipe insulation (instead of the pool noodle) wrapped in flannel with a "tail" (to prevent the window from rubbing on itself). This only keeps the window from creasing due to the sharp fold in the middle of the window. There is another problem area though, and that's the top bow that ends up pressing on the very back of the window when the top is down. This results in the folds at the bottom of the window. It's tough to figure out how to solve this - If you put a thick towel over the window before you put the top down and used the Miata Tube, the top will not retract all of the way, and the boot cover will not stay put.

Let me know if anyone has a solution to the folds in the lower part of the window.

 

Correct me if I am wrong, but the well mat only covers the bottom of the well. I am having a problem with the plastic window scratching against the top corner of the well and against the metal knobs for the boot cover. any suggestions?

 

I use the Miata tube and the Muz mat and have not had a problem. I put the tube in with the top down about two thirds of the way. I make sure if there are any creases trying to form
I tap them out with the tube. When the top is all the way down I think the tube is resting in
the forward part of the window.