HELP!!!! Engine Might need a New ROD BEARING
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From: Sheridan
First of all, I agree with everything above gregstevens said.
I don't have the answer to nEVERCLEAR's question, but I have been assured by Woodwork and by Valley Motor Honda's owner that any Honda can get low enough on oil to destroy the engine without the engine oil light giving any warning. Several owners on this board have also had engine failures, low oil, and no "low oil" warning light. The "low oil" light does come on just after an oil change, as it should.
When my #4 cylinder failed on 4 January 2001, the sound was EXACTLY like a bad valve adjustment. It was a metallic ticking. The four people who listened all agreed, a valve needs adjustment. The four people were: Valley Motor Honda's service manager, one of Valley Motor Honda's two best mechanics, my brother-in-law who works for a Honda supplier and is a motorhead, and me--just a gray haired old doctor with some experience.
Jason Saini, on this board, said he suspected a #4 cylinder failure just from my description and his experience with his yellow '01. Jason was right.
I agree that Honda is NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR REPAIRS DUE TO OWNER NEGLIGENCE. If one of us fails to follow the manual and as a result the engine goes low on oil and as a result the engine needs replacing, then it is our fault.
Many of us are long time Honda owners first time performance car owners. Performance cars need more attention than Civics and Accords that seem to be built to be just about as reliable as toasters and just about as solid as hockey pucks. As these #4 cylinder problems mount, I think Honda will do a more meticulous job and informing new owners of the sentence in the owner's manual advising us to check the oil at every gasoline fill up.
In the mean time, CHECK YOUR OIL EVERY TIME YOU NEED TO ADD GASOLINE and document it on the receipt and save the receipt. It costs nothing and just may save your engine or save your proof of no owner negligence.
Our family now does it with all eight of our Honda engines:
Barry's '01 S2000 #52 3,450 fun miles on the odometer PLUS
'01 31 cc weedeater
'01 HR216 mower
'99 Civic EX 5 speed(daughter's)
'94 Accord EX 5 speed (wife's)
'93 Prelude VTEC 5 speed (my daily driver)
'93 XR250L six speed (MINE!)
'92 Accord EX 5 speed (younger son's)
Originally posted by nEVERCLEAR
How could a motor with low miles burn enough oil " down to 1 quart or less" without the engine light or extensive smoke come from 1500 miles of usage. I'm all for taking responsibility if its my mistake, but doesnt it seem odd that this would happen.
How could a motor with low miles burn enough oil " down to 1 quart or less" without the engine light or extensive smoke come from 1500 miles of usage. I'm all for taking responsibility if its my mistake, but doesnt it seem odd that this would happen.
Originally posted by majdad
I'm not an expert, but the first thing I thought when you said "Tick" was a valve sticking.
I'm not an expert, but the first thing I thought when you said "Tick" was a valve sticking.
Jason Saini, on this board, said he suspected a #4 cylinder failure just from my description and his experience with his yellow '01. Jason was right.
I agree that Honda is NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR REPAIRS DUE TO OWNER NEGLIGENCE. If one of us fails to follow the manual and as a result the engine goes low on oil and as a result the engine needs replacing, then it is our fault.
Many of us are long time Honda owners first time performance car owners. Performance cars need more attention than Civics and Accords that seem to be built to be just about as reliable as toasters and just about as solid as hockey pucks. As these #4 cylinder problems mount, I think Honda will do a more meticulous job and informing new owners of the sentence in the owner's manual advising us to check the oil at every gasoline fill up.
In the mean time, CHECK YOUR OIL EVERY TIME YOU NEED TO ADD GASOLINE and document it on the receipt and save the receipt. It costs nothing and just may save your engine or save your proof of no owner negligence.
Our family now does it with all eight of our Honda engines:
Barry's '01 S2000 #52 3,450 fun miles on the odometer PLUS
'01 31 cc weedeater
'01 HR216 mower
'99 Civic EX 5 speed(daughter's)
'94 Accord EX 5 speed (wife's)
'93 Prelude VTEC 5 speed (my daily driver)
'93 XR250L six speed (MINE!)
'92 Accord EX 5 speed (younger son's)
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From: Mish-she-gan
Sorry to hear about your problems. With the history of these cars and the racing engine in them, you're tempting fate big time if you drive 1,500 miles without checking the oil level. By the book you should have checked it at least a half-dozen times during that span. Its a pain in the butt to have to do this, but its a small inconvience to pay for screaming F1 engine and some peace of mind. Always, always check you oil even closer after a 3rd party oil change. Good luck.
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From: Partwhoresville
Well guys my car went in today. I will find out on monday. Yes, the service director stayed after hours and by listening to my car he thought it was a rod knock. It was a good thing I was nice to him because he is the one who speaks to HofA for warranty issues. Seriously this service guy was pretty darn nice. I sure hope he can warranty this problem like he said he MIGHT be able to.
My main argument is:
1500 Miles after my oil change and a zero reading on my dipstick. Thats 4 quarts GONE
Seriously 3+ quarts oil consumption in 1500 miles doesn't seem right. Bare in mind my car had 15500 when i brought it in. So it was broken in properly as this has never happen b4. My driving habits have remained the same!
Nothing can compare to A VTEC'in 2001 Civic Auto
My main argument is:
1500 Miles after my oil change and a zero reading on my dipstick. Thats 4 quarts GONE
Seriously 3+ quarts oil consumption in 1500 miles doesn't seem right. Bare in mind my car had 15500 when i brought it in. So it was broken in properly as this has never happen b4. My driving habits have remained the same!
Nothing can compare to A VTEC'in 2001 Civic Auto
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From: paragould
my 15,000 mile service was done recently at 14,000 miles -- the dealer left the oil cap off and inverted on top of the engine, the differential fill bolt unscrewed and only slightly in the threaded shaft, left the service sticker off and also left all four valve stem covers just pressure stuck to the stems ....
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From: Mish-she-gan
Originally posted by bebahru
my 15,000 mile service was done recently at 14,000 miles -- the dealer left the oil cap off and inverted on top of the engine, the differential fill bolt unscrewed and only slightly in the threaded shaft, left the service sticker off and also left all four valve stem covers just pressure stuck to the stems ....
my 15,000 mile service was done recently at 14,000 miles -- the dealer left the oil cap off and inverted on top of the engine, the differential fill bolt unscrewed and only slightly in the threaded shaft, left the service sticker off and also left all four valve stem covers just pressure stuck to the stems ....
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From: Irving
Not to be the harbinger of doom, but Honda originally diagnosed my ticking noise as a bad rod bearing.
When they opened it up, they discovered that it was the now infamous #4 cylinder problem. They replaced my entire engine under warrantee, not just the short block like so many others here. I think this is because I was one of the first to have it. This is back in early October 2000.
They didn't say anything about the oil level, but losing a bunch would make sense if the cylinder walls are etched.
Your tick, does it do it all the time? Mine only ticked when I reved over 3k RPM.
When they opened it up, they discovered that it was the now infamous #4 cylinder problem. They replaced my entire engine under warrantee, not just the short block like so many others here. I think this is because I was one of the first to have it. This is back in early October 2000.
They didn't say anything about the oil level, but losing a bunch would make sense if the cylinder walls are etched.
Your tick, does it do it all the time? Mine only ticked when I reved over 3k RPM.
