Can we start a TX vs. CA 2K war?

 

[QUOTE=Elistan,Oct 6 2004, 04:59 PM] This gets asked a lot, so I thought I'd throw it out.

 

Too funny Looking at US sales tells you how you do in the worlds largest car market. China will be the next largest market if not already. If the car does well in US it does well. If it does well everywhere else but the US it's mediocre at best. I'll point out that <10,000 cars really stinks. I don't wanta here about supply. I live in bumfVck PA and there was two on the lot on one on the showroom floor (the on I bought) they couldn't give these cars away and just because the guys out in seatle can BS people into thinking there worth more then they are doesn't mean there's trully a shortage. Think about it if there was a shortage why can you buy a s2000 for 30,995 from hardtop guy in either CA or OH. I think this car isn't selling like hotcakes because

1. The scalping that dealers pulled when this car came out soured a lot of people.

2. People don't even know the car exist (how bout some advertising)

3. It's a Honda and normal people wouldn't think that Honda could build a car this great

4. People are afraid to test drive the car into vtec. THis car isn't a proformer under 6k. No ones excitied until it's VTEC time. If I hadn't read the reviews I would never have push the car hard enough to appreciate the power of the car and I would never have bought it.

5. The worse thing in the world WRX STi, Neon, Evo, 350z etc....

Damn Neon $10,000 less blowing my stock s2000 off the road in the straights. Makes me sick.


I DON'T CARE THAT IT'S A POS!!!! I KNOW THAT ALREADY!!!!


I've owned mopar all my life until I bought this car. I know there not realiable but you can buy a rebuilt mopar engine for $2000 instead of $9000. The parts and labor are cheaper at the Chysler Dealer on top fo the $10000 less so you've got plenty of extra cash to keep the damn thing on the road. You'll have to replace the air compressor every year or two. It'll go through motor mounts like crazy. You'll probably go through a cv joint and two power steering pumps (if it has a psp) .

I'll probably never have to visit the dealership for a major repair onmy baby.

Most roads I travel are straight, funny thing the goverment sees the value in making roads straight, especially ones that we go fast on. I can take comfort that when I do go on that back road with all the twisties that I can kick a neons ass so bad that the dude will be part of a tree and my tires will be planted while I come around that bend and right into a deer.

This car is great, it needs to come with a supercharger to compete with the crappy cars that have better preformance 0-60 and 1/4. These are the standard measures in the US. I love my car, it's better then those others. I wouldn't trade it for a crappy neon because it has a far greater value to me than a neon but I just can't belive chrysler and make a car that fast for $20,000

Crap

 

I dont think its that hard....

the srt4 = parts bin car...
Its FWD [yuk].....FWD + grabbing a turbo'd already 'in production' engine, and not having to import [unlike sti and evo] it saves alot of money.

 

why does my00 say #7600 on the vin for the model #?? Car fax said it was brought in july or august of 00.

 

I'll point out that <10,000 cars really stinks.

Wow, and here I though the S2000 was not a mass market car. What kind of numbers were you expecting, Neon SRT numbers?

The one statistic that I always wanted but have yet to find is production numbers by color. If anyone has that info, please share it!

 

You summed it up, exceltoexcel.
2 years ago if you wanted a sportscar for around $30K you didn't have many choices, but the reverse is true now. I posted back then about the eventual demise of the S2000....and there's no indication that Honda is doing anything to try to save it. They had plenty of time to figure out how to respond to the Evo and the STi and what'd they do? Lowered the redline, softened the suspension, added a nominal amount of torque and restyled the bumpers. Honda needs to get over it and go FI OR add 4 more cylinders if they're going to compete with the latest pocket rockets or they need to put an auto tranny in it and call it an Acura to take some market share away from the TT.

 

Do you realize that's TWICE what Honda originally intended to produce? This car was NEVER intended to be a big seller. They're not trying to saturate a market. They're trying to appeal to driving enthusiasts.

 

Being with honda for 3 years I can say this:

The only cars in honda that are mass produced is civics and accords. With that given, we're not even talking about every single model.

Honda is not looking to be the highest volumn seller. Thats why they dont offer rebates or 0% while everyone else in the market is offering them other than? Mercedes, Bmws, Porsche, all the high line cars. They want to be known for building high quality cars at a affordable price.

They 99-04 Odyssey completely blew the minivan market away. Even still, the average dealer only gets 10-15 of these a month. Yes honda sells less, yes they make less profit but for the consumer, it drives the value of them high in the used car market and that is also the reason why honda has the highest residual value in practically all of their cars as compared to the rest of the market.

So how does that help them? It boosts their leasing aspect for the new vehicles market. Recently they had a Odyssey EX with DVD for $249 a month on a 2 year lease with $1500 drive off. Those 2 months that this deal was available was a record month for odysseys in 04 for honda. The reason why that deal was possible was because of the 71% 2 year residual.

Anyway, the s2000 will be more than likely cut out in 07. I think they will also cut the accord v-6 speed and bring back the prelude in a 30k range.

 

Because all those cars sold in 1999 were '00 models. 3400+6797=10,197 for the '00 model year.