I'm hoping someone might be able to help me out. In February of last year I purchased a stolen vehicle from Copart auto auctions and rebuilt the vehicle...thief stripped parts off the car. At the time I was starting the car using the rolling code as I didn't have a chipped key. I actually used the rolling code for approximately a month and a half. I eventually got a chipped key made.
In November of last year my S2000 was stolen. I have had a hell of a time with my insurance company as they have all but said they think I had something to do with the car disappearing. They denied my claim and actually based it on two things; 1) they told me that the rolling code can not be used more than once...which I know is not true because I used it for a month and a half without issue. 2) the keys I turned over to them did not match the VIN on the vehicle...which I thought was a no brainer since the car was a theft recovery to begin with and I had to change the ignition because the ignition had been destroyed.

Which brings me to the help I require. I have had to hire a lawyer to help me battle with the insurance company. We got the file on the claim including all documentation from the insurance companys' "investigation". One of the things they have based their denial on is an email from a local Honda dealerships service manager stating that the rolling code can only be used once and once only because it gets voided after 15 mins. via satellite. I know this is not true! I'm hoping that someone might have documentation on the rolling code system in the S2000 or know of someone who might. I'm obviously looking for documentation that can be used in court. So something specifically from Honda...perhaps a manual. If this is not possible does anyone know of someone who would be considered an expert that would be able to help me out by giving me a letter that states the rolling code can be used more than once that it does not stop working after 15mins.
Obviously I am desperate! any help you can provide would be appreciated! I realise this is a sensitive topic so please contact me via p.m. I am willing to answer any questions from someone that can help me may have (to prove i am not a would be thief!)

Thank you,
Joe

 

What does your lawyer say? There's was an interesting article about immobilizers and how to bypass them in a recent car magazine. I'd grab that article as part of your evidence. They specifically commented about how the insurance companies were using immobilizers as an excuse to not cover the claim.

Does your S have a satellite receiver? I didn't think so. Get them to explain how your S hears this new satellite code when it doesn't have a receiver.

I suspect there's more to it than the keys and the vin. They're probably looking at your financial state too. I'm pretty sure they'd never try that with me for instance. Just the fact that, you know about the immobilizer hack has probably raised their suspicions of you too. It means you could have taught anyone to steal your car.

I'm not saying you stole it. I am saying the insurance company's probably right to be suspicious. Looks like an uphill battle to me.

 

That is exactly why they are giving me a hard time. They figure since I had intimate knowledge of the immobilizer system that I had something to do with it. My lawyer says this is a common tactic used by insurance companies. He says the insurance company is denying the claim because they have doubts. They are calculating that if my claim is not legitimate that I will go away.
The good news is that the I have several people that are willing to give statements saying they saw me use the rolling code. I also know that the S2000 is not capable of receiving satellite signals. As for the key issue, that is an absolute joke. I explained to the adjuster why the key was not a match to the vin, I even provided pictures from Copart auctions of the vehicle without the ignition.
This is why I need help. It's very hard to get info on the system, it's really not something that is readily available. I just need to be able to shoot down their claim that the system cannot be used more than once as it is shut down via satellite. The other side of it is that I can also go to the dealership that provided the insurance company with the false info and get them to give me a letter stating they were incorrect.

EK9- could you p.m. me which magazine you saw the article in I would be interested in anything I can get my hands on.

 

If I remembered, I'd have told you outright. They mentioned the emergency brake pulling method of bypassing the immobilizer. In fact, I'd search S2kI. There was discussion of it here. It may have been "Wired".

What's you lawyer telling you about your chance of succeeding? I know this is a common tactic.

You understand that you using the rolling code, that people seeing you using it, doesn't necessarilly strengthen your case? Just the opposite if you ask me. You showed people how to steal your car. I'd think your lawyer would be attacking them on their lack of proof you had anything to do with it. The immobilizer bypass thing seems to be a sideshow issue.

Did you file a police report?

 

Sorry to here about this big mess.

How about trying another dealer (or even AHM) for an official written document that states that the code can in fact be used more than once? Good luck man

 

How convenient Wired just published this: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.08/carkey.html

Get any Honda tech to state in an afidavit that a rolling code can be used more than once and you have your own expert witness. I'd imagine your local Honda dealership would be more than willing to help.

More to the point, read that article and tell the insurance company that there are many ways to steal a car, including towing it away.

Do you owe money on the car? If not, the insurance company has a harder time denying the claim.

What company is this, btw?

 

If you do no mind me asking, which insurance company is this?

 

Ks320 - RBC insurance

Saki GT - I owed nothing on my S2000.