[QUOTE]Originally posted by asu_lee
I disagree with STL......It is not like they are making 120K of these cars a year.

 

Nope. Name one instance where Honda has debuted a "better" engine or car model here that wasn't available in Japan? They always get the good stuff there first. If Japan was getting the 2.2L first then it came over here then your theory might sound plausible. Heck even the UK gets more performance oriented cars than the US. Compare the US spec Accord version the UK one. So the fact they are retaining the 2.0L engine there does imply a lot. If the 2.2L engine is truly only offered here in the US then it looks very much like a half-hearted attempt an appeasing the average torque-hungry americans!

 

maybe cuz the complaints were ppl asking for more torque and mentioned nothing about hp. honda fixed everything everyone complained about. cant please everyone

 

Many countries (particularly European countries) put a heavy tax penalty for displacement over 2 liters. That would make the American version much more expensive to purchase overseas. That would explain why they kept the F20C engine there. And since Europeans tend not to be as torque hungry, and pay much more for gas, it makes sense to leave the engine as is.

There are probably numerous reasons for reducing the redline on the F22C, but IMO it's not because it would "piss someone off". I think mav's comments are probably correct. To get the bigger engine to be reliable up to a 9000 redline would probably require significant and costly modifications.

Here's a scenario: Honda Marketing tells Engineering that the American consumer demands more torque, but don't have many complaints about total horsepower. Engineering tries to engineer an engine that satisfies that requirement in a cost-effective manner.

 

All I can think about is the Tokyo several of us owners took a couple years ago. It included a question/answer session with a couple of the people who designed the S2000... I really wish I could remember who it was that asked about why they went with a high-revving 2.0 when Americans perfer lots of torque, because I'd love to go back in time and smack them upside the head.

Maybe if we all complained about the hp being too low, in four years we'll get a 260-280hp version? Heh.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mav
Probably true nasti... to answer your first question, you can't have the best of both worlds, hence no 2.2L with a 9000RPM rev limit.

 

The '04 did get an increase in HP. The dyno plots in the training brochure show a substantial increase at every point throughout the entire powerband. The only reason the peak figures are the same is because the 2.2 redlines at 8K.

ron

 

It's obvious...
How much does that Ferrari cost? How much does the S2000 cost?

 

http://forums.s2ki.com/forums/search.php?s...=&pagenumber=28

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by STL
It's obvious...
How much does that Ferrari cost?