I agree!!! A lot of people crucify this car after they crash it blaming it on the car but its usually driver error or negligence of tire tread. This car is capable of easily driving in the rain with summer tires as long as you pay attention to your throttle inputs. Please don't use the cruise control in the rain either since it doesn't compensate for less traction or bad weather. Cruise either accelerates or not there's nothing in between so its rather dangerous in any rwd car or truck in bad weather.

 

Hold it.
No one posting on this thread is crucifying the s2k. Certainly I am not doing so. I absolutely love my s2k. The thread is about learning to drive small roadsters in the wet. I freely admit my problem could have been avoided completely if I just turned off cruise control and slowed down.

 

^My comments are about the general attitude about the S2000, FWIW. Tons of threads all over the forum about how DANGEROUS this car is and how it should absolutely not be driven in anything but bone dry days, north of 60F.

Its not a F40 on slicks.

 

reminds me of the myth that a 911 will suddenly lose the rear end and spin.

All cars obey the laws of physics and if you're going to drive fast you need to deal with this

 

Ok - I guess this topic is pretty much spent.

 

A long time ago

 

The rain myth will never really die, though. People still use "snap oversteer" in 2016.

 

Sorry if I'm taking further off the path here.

What's the problem with a bit of folklore about a car? People think of old Porsche turbos as widow makers, hasn't hurt their value a bit. In fact I think it adds mystique to the car.

Just because a car is a bit more difficult to drive, doesn't make it a bad car.


As far as rain or cruise control, I think the consensus is that they do not mix. Also I must be a slowpoke, I rarely do 10 over on the highway in the S2000. Seems like begging for attention from the police.

 

How else are you going to convince your friends that you don't just suck at driving after you spin out and crash? Snap Oversteer !

It was raining like crazy, my rear tires are down to threads, and the car spun out ! Snap Oversteer!

I was just doing a U-Turn and the car "Snap Oversteer" into the curb!

most human's aren't exactly well known for taking responsibility without factoring in elements that might have been at play.

 

This topic is like beating a dead horse.

There are problems with this debate having too many variables:

• Different model years/different spring rates
• Different tires/different wheel size
• Different tire grade (summer/winter/extreme/whatever)
• Different tire wear
• Different alignment settings
• Different road conditions (wet vs. flooded vs. dirt vs. whatever)
• etc.

For those on AP2s with traction control and steadystate conditions per above (e.g. good tires/tread/etc.), snap oversteer is pretty much an impossibility.

For those on EARLY AP1s, you drop the ball on any of those conditions and you find yourself closer to meeting the mythical beast that I assure you very much does exist. Early AP1s are not like the Miata where the tail comes out gently 99.999% of the time and you can reign it in when things get out of control... That is "snap oversteer" -- when it's too quick and you swap ends before you know what hit you.

I have tested my car skidpads in dry conditions and wet conditions, and yes, when everything is good and the rear starts to lose it, adjusting the throttle and counter-steering is fun and easy and nice [with practice]. But if conditions are bad, like flooding and standing water, and the car behaves like it just hit a shit ton of banana peels -- that's probably what people refer to as snap oversteer.

All you people arguing "well it's your fault, not the car," what's your point? That's not the debate here.

You may close the thread now.