Low mileage AP1? or Higher mileage AP2?
05-11-2011, 07:19 PM
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Low mileage AP1? or Higher mileage AP2?
Hi guys,
Just curious what you guys think about buying either a low mileage AP1 or a slightly higher mileage AP2. my budget is around $15K, I like the idea of better torque curve and freshened appearance of the AP2. But the 9K RPM redline of the AP1 is tempting.
I've also read the AP1 has a few more problems than the AP2. So even though I might be getting higher miles AP2, it would be more reliable?
Thanks fellows, looking to join you guys soon!
Just curious what you guys think about buying either a low mileage AP1 or a slightly higher mileage AP2. my budget is around $15K, I like the idea of better torque curve and freshened appearance of the AP2. But the 9K RPM redline of the AP1 is tempting.
I've also read the AP1 has a few more problems than the AP2. So even though I might be getting higher miles AP2, it would be more reliable?
Thanks fellows, looking to join you guys soon!
05-11-2011, 08:02 PM
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My personal suggestion -- first drive a couple AP1s and AP2s and decide which one you like, then track down the lowest mileage example you can afford. I don't know what kind of AP2 $15k can buy, but from the classifieds on this site it looks like it would likely buy you a pretty nice AP1 with under 50k miles. And if you search long enough you could probably find a decent AP2.
As far as reliability -- IIRC, early AP1s (MY 2000-2001) had a few issues that were resolved by about halfway through 2002 at the latest (2nd gear synchros, clutch buzz, oil bolts, maybe a couple others). To my knowledge, the only weak point on the AP1 that was resolved on the AP2 was the valve retainers, but IIRC this is really only important in an over-rev situation. Maybe some others will chime in with other issues but that's all I can think of. Keep in mind that every S2k is still a Honda and so chances are it will treat you well if it has been properly maintained by previous owners. I owned my first AP1 (MY 2002) from 39k to 50k miles and never had an issue with it, and I was at least the fourth owner of that car. Bottom line -- I wouldn't expect any significant differences in reliability of AP1 and AP2 cars.
If you are interested in AP1s, also note that the 2002-2003 cars have some notable improvements over the 2000-2001 cars: glass rear window with defroster, pleather upholstery on the center tunnel (instead of carpet), tweeter speakers in the doors, updated and improved ECU, and a couple others I'm probably forgetting. There are some other threads on this forum that discuss changes and revisions over each model year, so those might be helpful for you too. Hope this helps and good luck in your search
As far as reliability -- IIRC, early AP1s (MY 2000-2001) had a few issues that were resolved by about halfway through 2002 at the latest (2nd gear synchros, clutch buzz, oil bolts, maybe a couple others). To my knowledge, the only weak point on the AP1 that was resolved on the AP2 was the valve retainers, but IIRC this is really only important in an over-rev situation. Maybe some others will chime in with other issues but that's all I can think of. Keep in mind that every S2k is still a Honda and so chances are it will treat you well if it has been properly maintained by previous owners. I owned my first AP1 (MY 2002) from 39k to 50k miles and never had an issue with it, and I was at least the fourth owner of that car. Bottom line -- I wouldn't expect any significant differences in reliability of AP1 and AP2 cars.
If you are interested in AP1s, also note that the 2002-2003 cars have some notable improvements over the 2000-2001 cars: glass rear window with defroster, pleather upholstery on the center tunnel (instead of carpet), tweeter speakers in the doors, updated and improved ECU, and a couple others I'm probably forgetting. There are some other threads on this forum that discuss changes and revisions over each model year, so those might be helpful for you too. Hope this helps and good luck in your search
05-11-2011, 08:09 PM
#5
I say go for ap2
I bought my 05 ap2 about a month ago for $15,500 with 50k miles, but it also took me a month to find it, after looking in 3 different states. so my word of advice is just take your time and you'll find the one you want.
I bought my 05 ap2 about a month ago for $15,500 with 50k miles, but it also took me a month to find it, after looking in 3 different states. so my word of advice is just take your time and you'll find the one you want.
05-11-2011, 08:59 PM
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I'd go for an 03 and then add a supercharger with the savings from an AP2. AP2 looks better but if you are wanting the 9k redline I'd go for it. I definitely enjoy the 9k redline much more than the 8k.
That or get an AP2 and get aem ems or similar and raise the redline to 8600 or so. Best of both worlds then.
That or get an AP2 and get aem ems or similar and raise the redline to 8600 or so. Best of both worlds then.
05-11-2011, 09:40 PM
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My personal suggestion -- first drive a couple AP1s and AP2s and decide which one you like, then track down the lowest mileage example you can afford. I don't know what kind of AP2 $15k can buy, but from the classifieds on this site it looks like it would likely buy you a pretty nice AP1 with under 50k miles. And if you search long enough you could probably find a decent AP2.
As far as reliability -- IIRC, early AP1s (MY 2000-2001) had a few issues that were resolved by about halfway through 2002 at the latest (2nd gear synchros, clutch buzz, oil bolts, maybe a couple others). To my knowledge, the only weak point on the AP1 that was resolved on the AP2 was the valve retainers, but IIRC this is really only important in an over-rev situation. Maybe some others will chime in with other issues but that's all I can think of. Keep in mind that every S2k is still a Honda and so chances are it will treat you well if it has been properly maintained by previous owners. I owned my first AP1 (MY 2002) from 39k to 50k miles and never had an issue with it, and I was at least the fourth owner of that car. Bottom line -- I wouldn't expect any significant differences in reliability of AP1 and AP2 cars.
If you are interested in AP1s, also note that the 2002-2003 cars have some notable improvements over the 2000-2001 cars: glass rear window with defroster, pleather upholstery on the center tunnel (instead of carpet), tweeter speakers in the doors, updated and improved ECU, and a couple others I'm probably forgetting. There are some other threads on this forum that discuss changes and revisions over each model year, so those might be helpful for you too. Hope this helps and good luck in your search
As far as reliability -- IIRC, early AP1s (MY 2000-2001) had a few issues that were resolved by about halfway through 2002 at the latest (2nd gear synchros, clutch buzz, oil bolts, maybe a couple others). To my knowledge, the only weak point on the AP1 that was resolved on the AP2 was the valve retainers, but IIRC this is really only important in an over-rev situation. Maybe some others will chime in with other issues but that's all I can think of. Keep in mind that every S2k is still a Honda and so chances are it will treat you well if it has been properly maintained by previous owners. I owned my first AP1 (MY 2002) from 39k to 50k miles and never had an issue with it, and I was at least the fourth owner of that car. Bottom line -- I wouldn't expect any significant differences in reliability of AP1 and AP2 cars.
If you are interested in AP1s, also note that the 2002-2003 cars have some notable improvements over the 2000-2001 cars: glass rear window with defroster, pleather upholstery on the center tunnel (instead of carpet), tweeter speakers in the doors, updated and improved ECU, and a couple others I'm probably forgetting. There are some other threads on this forum that discuss changes and revisions over each model year, so those might be helpful for you too. Hope this helps and good luck in your search
Seems the 2000-2001 are off my list. Thanks for the very helpful words s2kapow. Time to go test drive some S2K's. =]
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05-11-2011, 11:26 PM
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i just picked up an 01 SSM clean title with 40k miles, ap2 front conversion (no headlights), ap2v2 wheels, and a K&N FIPK for $14.5. The car was MINT inside and out... just thought id throw that out there to give u an idea.
05-12-2011, 06:39 AM
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Depends on the history of the specific car you're talking about. Reliability is based on more than just AP1 versus AP2 and mileage.
05-12-2011, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Keatonus' timestamp='1305170344' post='20566172
Just curious what you guys think about buying either a low mileage AP1 or a slightly higher mileage AP2. my budget is around $15K, I like the idea of better torque curve and freshened appearance of the AP2. But the 9K RPM redline of the AP1 is tempting.
Depends on the history of the specific car you're talking about. Reliability is based on more than just AP1 versus AP2 and mileage.
