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Old Oct 18, 2016 | 09:40 AM
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So, im new here and dont want to step on toes or hurt anyones feelings, ive been searching for a s2k for a couple months now and have seen many cars that i walked away from 2 mins after seeing them or there being issues with the car that the seller " forgot " about. such as a dent or scrape or even a airbag light on. lets say hypothetically there is a car in the f/s section that i might have again hypothetically seen and the seller didnt mention any of the the faults until i said somthing to him.

Should i say somthing, do i write on the post warning everyone?????? im new hear and the forum has been very helpful in my search so far and want to thank everyone for all the help...
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Old Oct 18, 2016 | 09:51 AM
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what issues did they "forget"? I generally stay out of seller/buyer relations once I walk away. UNLESS there's something seriously wrong or if I'm pissed off that they wasted my time and flat out lied to me.

Virtually all used cars have a story or two.

If the seller omits too much, they'll either sell it to a sucker...or they won't sell it until they finally break down and lay out the honest facts.
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Old Oct 18, 2016 | 11:06 AM
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No offense, OP, but I think the 'buyer' also has some responsibility in the process.
You have to ask a lot of questions. Ask for more pics.
If you find yourself time and time again getting hit with forgotten details, you're not asking enough.

They're trying to sell a car that is older in age now, been driven aggressively, and is USED.

Its tough buying these cars now a days, but stay with it, the right one will come along to you.
There will be some aggravation along the way.

But I wouldn't rat people out though. chalk it up to lesson learned.
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Old Oct 18, 2016 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by berlinablackie
No offense, OP, but I think the 'buyer' also has some responsibility in the process.
You have to ask a lot of questions. Ask for more pics.
If you find yourself time and time again getting hit with forgotten details, you're not asking enough.

They're trying to sell a car that is older in age now, been driven aggressively, and is USED.

Its tough buying these cars now a days, but stay with it, the right one will come along to you.
There will be some aggravation along the way.

But I wouldn't rat people out though. chalk it up to lesson learned.

Well put
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Old Oct 18, 2016 | 12:33 PM
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Personally I don't feel any moral obligation to stick my nose into another person's business transaction. Best to stay out of it. IMHO.
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Old Oct 18, 2016 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by berlinablackie
But I wouldn't rat people out though.
I really dislike that term -- it takes something like "inspection contingency" or "due diligence" and ghettoizes and demonizes it as "ratting out."

If the photos and for-sale ad looked great and the buyer wasted his time going out there in-person and there are a few dents or other dealbreakers that weren't listed in the ad? Hell yes, do the community a service and post up. Keep everyone honest and perhaps save everyone else's time.

The great thing about BringATrailer, for example, is that the old grumps out there have no problem checking out cars for other users (e.g. if they're across the country), and then reporting back all the details. We're all car nuts, so why not be open and communicative and look out for each other?

We are all old enough to realize that when kids say "not telling something is not the same as lying" -- while technically true, it's an ethical or moral test that most people fail.

Snitches get stitches eh! Save that crap for Craigslist.
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Old Oct 18, 2016 | 12:45 PM
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Old Oct 18, 2016 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by berlinablackie
No offense, OP, but I think the 'buyer' also has some responsibility in the process.
You have to ask a lot of questions. Ask for more pics.
If you find yourself time and time again getting hit with forgotten details, you're not asking enough.
This. Ask a ton of questions. If the seller gets annoyed, avoids questions, or is hesitant/slow in getting back to you, it's probably not worth checking out, esp. if it's not very local to you.

I recently sold my S2000, and with some buyers, I wish they would have asked more questions. One guy made a 1.5hr drive each way towing a trailer, ready to pick up the car that day, so I worked from home that morning to meet him. Turns out he didn't know the S2k was a manual trans, didn't know the car has a decidedly sporty nature (he was looking to replace the SL500 he totaled after falling asleep at the wheel), didn't know the interior is rather small (he was a big retired guy), and was absolutely not willing to pay close to my asking price - particularly annoying since I already had a lot of interest and even offers very close to my price. The extent of his knowledge was literally that the S2000 is a Japanese convertible. He could have saved us both a ton of time and hassle by asking a few very basic questions.

As far as the condition of the car, I'd say unless it is drastically different from what is expressed in the ad (salvage title, runs terribly, looks in far worse condition than photos would suggest), just stay out of it.
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Old Oct 18, 2016 | 01:19 PM
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Thanks guys
looks like the common consensus is to leave it be as its non of my business. one car in particular shows way less miles than what showed when i scanned the vin. i am the person that asks a million questions especially if im not local and tend to drive people nuts. My uncle is a wholesaler and ive been going to all the auctions for over 20 years now, i can usually recognize paintwork no problem and for the most part know what im looking for which is why i havent found the right car yet. glad i asked, dont like dishonesty but i dont want to be a rat. one response said a sucker will buy the car from him. ill just assume the members on the forum are not suckers.
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Old Oct 18, 2016 | 01:30 PM
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I've bought and sold many cars through car forums including this one. There has been quite a few that ended up being a huge waste of time/gas money/ bridge tolls. I don't mean minor issues such as hard to notice dings or scrapes on the lower portion of the bumper, rather structural damage, mismatched paint, engine knocking etc. Issues sellers tried to hide from me thinking I was an uninformed/clueless buyer. Since then, if I see issues with cars, I post up and let other potential buyers know.
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