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Old Sep 11, 2005 | 03:21 PM
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hey wassup guys, I noticed theres some changes going on for the 06 s2k but I am not too sure what these are...
electronic Drive-by-Wire (DBW) Throttle System™, Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA
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Old Sep 11, 2005 | 03:52 PM
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I'm in a similar position in that I am trying to decide between an '05 and waiting for an '06. Obviously waiting for an '06 means fewer '05s available should the '06 not feel right.

Some have described the VSA as a compromise that shouldn't have been made for the S2000. Others have stated that since you can turn it off, it's no big deal.

In addition, some are concerned about the DBW diminishing the "connection" between the driver and the engine response.

I am actually concerned about the possible linking of the two features. It is my impression that the DBW has been utilized because it is needed for the VSA to work. Since the alternating individual wheel braking and changes to air/fuel intake have to be computer controlled, the VSA and DBW are certainly linked while VSA is enabled.

Whether turning off the VSA tells the DBW not to worry about interacting with VSA and to simply apply air/fuel increases and decreases in strict accordance with the linear movement of the throttle pedal is unclear to me at this time.

Since, in the VSA mode, the DBW feature looks to many other "stability" variables before deciding on the air/fuel volume, I am concerned that it might pause and look for those variables while in non-VSA mode before making it's decision to change the air/fuel volume.

...Bob
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Old Sep 11, 2005 | 04:53 PM
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Have a look at this thread. A brochure is posted here that explains pretty well the things you are wondering about:
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=316943
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Old Sep 11, 2005 | 06:34 PM
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Don't forget the tonneau cover.!
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Old Sep 11, 2005 | 07:28 PM
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[QUOTE]electronic Drive-by-Wire (DBW) Throttle System
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Old Sep 11, 2005 | 11:17 PM
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[QUOTE=xviper,Sep 11 2005, 07:28 PM]

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Old Sep 12, 2005 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by bborzell,Sep 12 2005, 01:17 AM
You might not have noted that my use of the term "air/fuel" is in reference to volume change, as in more or less of the fuel mixture.
Yes, I did notice this and I'm glad that you have it clear in your mind. However, the use of this term in this context may be confusing to others, so I interjected to make sure that there was no confusion. "Air/fuel" is a ratio and is meant to signify richness or lack thereof of the combustion mixture. It is not used to indicate how much the throttle plate is opened or closed, which is what this DBW does.
As for any lag, I've seen numbers for DBW in the "micro-seconds". This really cannot be considered any kind of lag. The computer can be just as quick as the cable. If "VSA" is de-activated, the DBW throttle still works as it did before.
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Old Sep 12, 2005 | 09:59 AM
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[QUOTE=xviper,Sep 12 2005, 07:18 AM]As for any lag, I've seen numbers for DBW in the "micro-seconds".
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Old Sep 12, 2005 | 10:00 AM
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Old Sep 12, 2005 | 10:20 AM
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I would like to think that with all the existing cars out there that has had DBW technology in place for years, that Honda has been doing their homework. Many DBW, manual transmission cars out there have been functioning quite well for some time. I can't imagine Honda would put out something that would work less well.
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