Not falling in love with new '06
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The PSS is not a "compromise tire". ---- it's the top choice in the Max Performance category which is what our cars came from the factory equipped with. On Tire Rack, the PSS ranks #1 out of 23 Max Performance tires available.
There is another category designed to mazimize dry traction at the expense of road noise and wet weather traction---Extreme Performance --the RE-71R is in this category. It isn't any better "overall" than the PSS or any other tire---it is no doubt better at dry traction if that is your #1 criteria for tire selection for your S2000.
The RE-71R ranks 5th out of the 10 available Extreme Performamce tires in owner's reviews
Here's TireRack's review of the RE-71R--they love the tire for it's handling but clearly point out it's focus is dry traction at the expense of wet weather traction and ride comfort.....(they also point out in their review that the RE-71R is one of the two noisiest tires they've ever tested on the road--- compared them to the sounds of a wheel bearing going bad and "sticky tape being pulled off plastic"....)
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=202
Here's the PSS reviee----
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=174
So, both are great tires--one is not "better" than the other----just depends on what your priorities are for tires for your S2000
There is another category designed to mazimize dry traction at the expense of road noise and wet weather traction---Extreme Performance --the RE-71R is in this category. It isn't any better "overall" than the PSS or any other tire---it is no doubt better at dry traction if that is your #1 criteria for tire selection for your S2000.
The RE-71R ranks 5th out of the 10 available Extreme Performamce tires in owner's reviews
Here's TireRack's review of the RE-71R--they love the tire for it's handling but clearly point out it's focus is dry traction at the expense of wet weather traction and ride comfort.....(they also point out in their review that the RE-71R is one of the two noisiest tires they've ever tested on the road--- compared them to the sounds of a wheel bearing going bad and "sticky tape being pulled off plastic"....)
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=202
Here's the PSS reviee----
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=174
So, both are great tires--one is not "better" than the other----just depends on what your priorities are for tires for your S2000
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From: Illnoise. WAY downtown, jerky.
From a pure dry traction standpoint though the PSS cannot hold a candle to the RE-71R. Wet traction is similiar between the two and what you're really sacrificing is tire life, as the two in comparable sizes are around the same cost as well. Can you afford to replace your tires once a year or every 10,000 miles? If so, there's no reason NOT to go with an Extreme performance tire.
Wet and dry traction with the 71R is unbelievably good, I'll agree.
I really don't think that affordability is the only thing to look at. You're not really gaining THAT much of a tangible advantage *on the street* with EP tires.
I can afford to buy $200 running shoes that have a 60 mile life span and that I can feel every pebble through because I like to briskly walk down the block daily. But...why? It doesn't make sense.
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From: Illnoise. WAY downtown, jerky.
It may be worth mentioning that IIRC, OP said in another thread that he came from an Exige or Elise? And his complaint was that his stock 06 S2000 that originally had all season tires felt like it didn't respond like the Elise.
I'm not sure that jumping to an EP tire would have given him back the type of feeling that an Elise would. Maybe it would have gotten him closer, I suppose.
I'm not sure that jumping to an EP tire would have given him back the type of feeling that an Elise would. Maybe it would have gotten him closer, I suppose.
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Originally Posted by B serious
Noise? Harshness?
Wet and dry traction with the 71R is unbelievably good, I'll agree.
I really don't think that affordability is the only thing to look at. You're not really gaining THAT much of a tangible advantage *on the street* with EP tires.
I can afford to buy $200 running shoes that have a 60 mile life span and that I can feel every pebble through because I walk down to the store every once a week. But...why? It doesn't make sense.
You naturally assume everyone else uses their S exactly the same way as you. So you scratch your head at those that dont understand why Extreme Performance tires are the obvious, and only choice. You wonder, why are these people caring about silly things like noise, or harshness, or tire life? By the time my tires wear out, their self life is almost expired. I mean who drives more than 5k miles a year?
I think people use their S in very different ways. That is great, except when people on one side of that equation dont understand or respect those on the other side of it. Maybe you really do need Extreme Performance tires to even enjoy drivimg your S. That doesnt mean everyone else does too. No, they are ruining or disrespecting the car by using it differently than you...
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An extreme performance tire enhances grip, braking, and confidence. That's what the S is all about, from an enthusiast perspective it's currently the go-to tire. You should ask a local guy who has re-71r and go for a test drive. PSS is a good tire. With the re-71r I get a smirk every time pull out of the drive-way.
Does an athlete wear boots while he's running? Probably not. I would wear running shoes. Sure any pair of running shoes will do. What do you want, Chuck Converse that will do the job if you had to. Nike Frees for me, get the job done right.
Does an athlete wear boots while he's running? Probably not. I would wear running shoes. Sure any pair of running shoes will do. What do you want, Chuck Converse that will do the job if you had to. Nike Frees for me, get the job done right.
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...unless you are using your S as if it were a sportbike. You only take it out for serious romps on the street, and occasionally track it. Maybe you do go on a grocery run or commute to work every once in a while. But only ever in perfect weather, and when you are really feeling like DRIVING.
You naturally assume everyone else uses their S exactly the same way as you. So you scratch your head at those that dont understand why Extreme Performance tires are the obvious, and only choice. You wonder, why are these people caring about silly things like noise, or harshness, or tire life? By the time my tires wear out, their self life is almost expired. I mean who drives more than 5k miles a year?
I think people use their S in very different ways. That is great, except when people on one side of that equation dont understand or respect those on the other side of it. Maybe you really do need Extreme Performance tires to even enjoy drivimg your S. That doesnt mean everyone else does too. No, they are ruining or disrespecting the car by using it differently than you...
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You naturally assume everyone else uses their S exactly the same way as you. So you scratch your head at those that dont understand why Extreme Performance tires are the obvious, and only choice. You wonder, why are these people caring about silly things like noise, or harshness, or tire life? By the time my tires wear out, their self life is almost expired. I mean who drives more than 5k miles a year?
I think people use their S in very different ways. That is great, except when people on one side of that equation dont understand or respect those on the other side of it. Maybe you really do need Extreme Performance tires to even enjoy drivimg your S. That doesnt mean everyone else does too. No, they are ruining or disrespecting the car by using it differently than you...
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OP, take some more time getting to know the car, before doing any mods. As mods will prolly change the handling equation to a point you may never get to know the car's strengths and weaknesses.
Ultimately, this car may not be your cup of tea.
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From: Illnoise. WAY downtown, jerky.
Originally Posted by B serious
Noise? Harshness?
Wet and dry traction with the 71R is unbelievably good, I'll agree.
I really don't think that affordability is the only thing to look at. You're not really gaining THAT much of a tangible advantage *on the street* with EP tires.
I can afford to buy $200 running shoes that have a 60 mile life span and that I can feel every pebble through because I walk down to the store every once a week. But...why? It doesn't make sense.
You naturally assume everyone else uses their S exactly the same way as you. So you scratch your head at those that dont understand why Extreme Performance tires are the obvious, and only choice. You wonder, why are these people caring about silly things like noise, or harshness, or tire life? By the time my tires wear out, their self life is almost expired. I mean who drives more than 5k miles a year?
I think people use their S in very different ways. That is great, except when people on one side of that equation dont understand or respect those on the other side of it. Maybe you really do need Extreme Performance tires to even enjoy drivimg your S. That doesnt mean everyone else does too. No, they are ruining or disrespecting the car by using it differently than you...
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I have 71R's and my car sees a LOT of track time.
I got the impression from OP that this was just a street driven car that he'd like to have fun with every now and then. Not sure if its a DD.
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From a pure dry traction standpoint though the PSS cannot hold a candle to the RE-71R. Wet traction is similiar between the two and what you're really sacrificing is tire life, as the two in comparable sizes are around the same cost as well. Can you afford to replace your tires once a year or every 10,000 miles? If so, there's no reason NOT to go with an Extreme performance tire.
Tire choice is all about "want"
I dont want to give up the ride comfort, lower road noise, better wet traction and stopping distances for what I consider to be a level of dry grip I would rarely use......
Others may have different "wants" and want that level of dry grip in trade off for less of the other attributes.....to each his own......my point was that neither tire is necessarily "better" than the other, it all depends on what you want your tires to do.....both choices are far better tires than those that came on the car initially
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Originally Posted by RedCelica' timestamp='1463792582' post='23972668
From a pure dry traction standpoint though the PSS cannot hold a candle to the RE-71R. Wet traction is similiar between the two and what you're really sacrificing is tire life, as the two in comparable sizes are around the same cost as well. Can you afford to replace your tires once a year or every 10,000 miles? If so, there's no reason NOT to go with an Extreme performance tire.
Wet and dry traction with the 71R is unbelievably good, I'll agree.
I really don't think that affordability is the only thing to look at. You're not really gaining THAT much of a tangible advantage *on the street* with EP tires.
I can afford to buy $200 running shoes that have a 60 mile life span and that I can feel every pebble through because I like to briskly walk down the block daily. But...why? It doesn't make sense.
After driving the dragon on Star Specs, then DWs, then RS3s I'd say yes...there is most definitely a tangible advantage on the street with EP tires. I think it says something when Honda decided to do just that...slap some 140TWR tires on the S2000 from the factory. Like mentioned previously, it's about what you want to do with the car. Do you just want a cool convertible to go top down on the highway, or do you use the car to it's (and your) intended potential?