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Old Mar 29, 2011 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by lou430
If VSA is so important it would of been installed in the new Porsche GT3. The S2000 is a drivers car and practice makes perfect. I never saw the S as a daily driver so VSA is a welcomed feature but not deemed necessary. IMHO
What are you talking about? The GT3 does have electronic stability control (Porsche calls it PSM).

http://www.porsche.com/microsite/tec...t=PMT911GT3All

Like I said before, there should be no complaints about VSA, you can completely turn it off when you need too (at the track). And it doesn't matter how "good of a driver" you are, you can't 100% predict the traction of public streets.
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Old Mar 29, 2011 | 01:54 PM
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And probably more S2000'a are being driven daily than visiting the track...

S2000's without VSA are getting totaled faster than S2000's with VSA...
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Old Mar 29, 2011 | 05:38 PM
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Probably because there are more S2K's without VSA on the road than there are with. Statistics is fun.

90,000 examples without VSA vs. 23,000 with (according to Wiki).

Yeah, I'll takes those odds on that one, too.
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 01:22 PM
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Its pretty obvious that VSA is a good thing for DD and it can be turned OFF. It also utilizes EXISTING sensors, ABS, and brakes to manage stability...so not really a reliability concern (had 4 cars with VSA-like systems not a single problem). So unless your S2k is a weekend car or just for track, you must be an idiot not to see advantages in VSA system. (then you probably dont see advantages in airbags and seatbelts either...or roll bars)

and yes, Porsches, Ferraris, and Lambos all have the system. 90% of cars on the road today have it. Only some track dedicated cars dont have this stability system, thats why there is an OFF button in S2k.
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 03:47 PM
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I noticed the OP stated he was on cold roads. It doesn't get cold in Los Angeles. Does anyone have issues in hot whether?
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 05:25 PM
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This is an old thread... but no I haven't had issues with VSA here, but if you are tickling the VSA on public roads are you already driving very recklessly.

My take is VSA is a good thing, especially because you CAN turn it off for track, autoX, etc.

If someone had a "close call" while driving and lived to tell about it, great - but drive more carefully next time, because if it wasn't just a "close call" you might be seriously injured...
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 05:44 PM
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I dislike VSA... Yes, I own an AP1, and am damn proud. I do also however, own an 08 civic si coupe which does have the magical VSA button.. For awhile, I was in the habit of hitting the button every time i turned the key. Once I bought flashpro for it, i permanently disable it.
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 05:49 PM
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fwd vsa and rwd vsa are two totally different things.
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 05:56 PM
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what is different? Basically with the SI, if it noticed your tires were spinning it would cut engine power.
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 06:05 PM
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because VSA on the S2000 detects the difference between the front wheel grip vs rear wheel grip...in the front wheel cars, it only detects slippage. In the S, you can reach the limit of the car without engaging the VSA, in a fwd car, you can't due to the reduction in power application.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_advanced_technology

Controlling oversteer – During an oversteer, the rear end of the vehicle will spin out because the rotational speed of the rear wheels exceeds the front wheels. VSA will prevent the vehicle from spinning by braking the outer front wheel to produce an ouwtard moment and stabilize the vehicle.
Controlling understeer - During an understeer, the front wheels loses traction during cornering due to excessive throttle and causes the speed difference between the left and front wheels to decrease. When the vehicle steers outwards from the intended trajectory, VSA intervenes by reducing engine power and if necessary, also braking the inner front wheel[22]
Read this: http://world.honda.com/news/1997/t970702d.html
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