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Old Nov 5, 2006 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by TheChemist,Nov 5 2006, 02:38 PM
10 and 2 for the street and 9 and 3 for the track...

Many track cars have faster steering ratios, so by holding the wheel at the the 9 and 3 you can go from lock to lock with only some (or none)arm cross, on the street the ratios are slower and 10 and 2 with "the shuffle" is the preferred technique.
Try the 9-and-3 hand-over technique Mikey described. As I said, I use it (and have been doing so for fifteen years), always. (I don't track any more.) You will be amazed how many turns that used to require shuffling are actually doable without releasing the wheel at all -- really, this is everything you'll do at over twenty mph; literally everything else, even in tight parking lots, can be done with one crossover, again never releasing the wheel.

Note: add the subtleties Pantera mentioned, and you'll have a technique that will be perfect for street and track.

Re safety, it's not an airbag thing, really -- any time you curl your thumbs around the wheel, you're at significant risk of tendon damage regardless, so the point is to avoid airbag deployment... 9 and 3 is safer because it enhances control, particularly when concentration lapses (which it does, to each of us).
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Old Nov 5, 2006 | 02:33 PM
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For the shufflers, it's a good idea to mark off your 12.
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Old Nov 5, 2006 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mikey k,Nov 5 2006, 02:50 PM
right I've got that

Now can you tell me how to "drive stick"
You need to ask your mama that one
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Old Nov 5, 2006 | 08:31 PM
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If I need to quickly crank the steering wheel to perform a U turn, (low speed) I go hand over hand. If I'm turning just a little bit, I use the curly shuffle.

So, I guess I use both techniques.
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Old Nov 5, 2006 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TheChemist,Nov 5 2006, 02:38 PM
Why is arm crossing bad??? Because if you suddenly need to input more steering you can't and if you need counter steer your arms and hands will be in the wrong positions UH-OH!!!
Arm crossing isn't necessarily bad. I once began to spin a Formula Madza in turn 3a at Sears Point. I needed to get to the opposite lock like yesterday... Even though the car I was driving had quick ratio steering, (1 1/4 turns locl to lock) I let go of the steering wheel and crossed my hands to get to the opposite lock like yesterday. I didn't cross my arms just once, I crossed them twice. In the middle of my spin, I was just slightly past 90 degree's at about 70 mph. I regained complete control of the racecar.

I had two cross my arms twice more to get the steering wheel back where it was before I began to spin Crossing arms, or even shuffling in a Formula car is something a person would never do, but in this situation, it allowed me to regain complete control of a car that was way out of control.

I have never seen anyone rotate a car that far and not rotate the rest of the way around.

Unless I'm doing a U turn at very low speed, arm crossing is not necessary.
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Old Nov 5, 2006 | 08:55 PM
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I dont know what you guys are talking about but.....

In an s2000, you never keep your hands on 9 and 3. I will leave the track out for a second, Ill talk about street for a minute.

YOU NEVER keep your thumbs poking through the wheel. If you slam a pothole, you will snap your thumbs off.

The s2000, track or street, is supposed to be held at 10/2. Do you notice the thicker grips in those positions? They are there because thats where your hands should be. Moreover, the spokes on 9/3 interfere from holding the wheel properly. Ideally, 10/2 provide you with the most control, and the most levarage on the steering wheel. A seasoned pro with EXCELLENT car contol skills can use 9/3, holding the steering wheel loosely, and NOT stick their thumbs through the spokes.

Ideal: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3...000+track&hl=en

If you watch the video closely, sometimes when the driver shifts, he puts his hand on the 3 oclock position, then quickly moving to the 2 oclock.

Finally, YOU NEVER drive a car with your palms. (Spirited driving that is)


Flame on.
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Old Nov 5, 2006 | 09:06 PM
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It just different way to do the samething, i personally use fixed hand on track it just faster for me some of my friend and my dad use shuffle hands and they are just as fast.

in some country you need to learn both ways before they pass you for liscence, funny huh? and then my dad told me they make you parallel park on a hill and you have to hold position with clutch and gas only, no ebrake or stopper(until it's parked)
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Old Nov 5, 2006 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by cthree,Nov 5 2006, 11:09 PM
You need to ask your mama that one
He said "drive" not "ride."


Steering a car.
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Old Nov 5, 2006 | 09:35 PM
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[QUOTE=NFRs2000NYC,Nov 6 2006, 12:55 AM]I dont know what you guys are talking about but.....

In an s2000, you never keep your hands on 9 and 3.
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Old Nov 5, 2006 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by RED MX5,Nov 6 2006, 01:26 AM
He said "drive" not "ride."


Steering a car.
I personally, dont agree with that website's article. For some reason, Honda engineers placed the meaty grips on the 10/2 section of the wheel.

I wont go as far as saying its wrong, I personally, dont think that is the best position.

On top of that, physically, 9/3 is harder on your muscles than 10/2. (no weight support)
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