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Old Jun 4, 2009 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 08YellowCR,Jun 2 2009, 04:55 PM
And i think that the gearing is shorter and that the steering is a little different but don't hold me to that.
I know it has steering rack stiffeners, but is tranny or rear end gearing changed?
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Old Jun 4, 2009 | 01:26 PM
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No.
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Old Jun 4, 2009 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by CKit,Jun 2 2009, 04:06 PM
Tighten the nut behind the wheel first.
It comes torqued properly from factory no need to touch what aint broke
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Old Jun 4, 2009 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by sonnny,Jun 2 2009, 04:04 PM
Y'all,

Noob question about CR relative to non-CR.

I have read all the specs compared to non-CR so I have an understanding of the increased turn in and suspension upgrades among other items.

My question, since I am not an engineer or a racer, is how this translates to the street (not the track).

Is it easier to drive? Can you push more around corners and entrance ramps without the tail wagging? Is it more stable in rain? etc. etc.

This is a curiosity question for me and relates to my desire to understand race technology better.

Thanks alot.
There's a couple of good driving comparisons on this site, but here's my take (as a former AP1 owner and current CR owner as well as an autoxer and track day participant).

On the street the car is noticeably stiffer, but not overly stiff. I would not recommend it as a daily if you live in an area with poor road conditions.

It is easier to drive in that the stiffer suspension along with the stiffer front sway bar and relatively less stiff rear sway bar along with the larger staggered tire ratio are more in line to keep the rear planted. That being said, it's still an S2000 so it still has excellent turn in, which still translates to inexperienced and/or reckless drivers spinning out. VSA can save you but, IMO, goes against the spirit of the car (I turn it off while racing or suffer being a lot slower).

This is all in comparison to AP1's btw.

So to answer what I think you're asking - don't get the CR if you think it will make a better and safer daily driver. I would recommend that if you are looking for a more stable rear to get a regular s2000 and bigger front sway bar or big rear tires. Again, it's still an s2000 though. What makes the CR more stable is performance minded and makes compromises to comfort in the process.

And to clear up some statements that could be interpreted incorrectly:
- The CR gearing is different than the AP1, but the same as the AP2
- The steering ratio is the same as the AP1, but different than the AP2
- Yes, there is chassis stiffening bar where the convertible top would be. This almost only useful when performance driving
- The aero seems to be working on the race track. Don't really notice it on the street.
- "tightening the nut behind the wheel" - it's a joke. You are the "nut". The best way to not spin your car or get the most performance is to learn how to drive properly (ie performance driving school, autox, etc.)
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Old Jun 4, 2009 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by starchland,Jun 4 2009, 04:43 PM
It comes torqued properly from factory no need to touch what aint broke
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Old Jun 4, 2009 | 04:00 PM
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CR Suspension

A lot of information comparing the CR suspension to the suspension in all other S2Ks.
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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by MULDER,Jun 4 2009, 03:14 PM
you didnt know that either eh and probably decided to tighten it one day right
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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 07:01 AM
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I try to tighten it every time I go out. I've spent hundreds of dollars on tools to help me tighten it... but so far it has stayed loose....
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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 07:17 AM
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maybe this is whats causing snap oversteer? or could it be related to operater error?
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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 07:19 AM
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Just don't get cocky about how well you've been tightening that nut or else the nut will become a tool.
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