s2000 "black box" ?
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From: Saint Augustine, FL
For the "Orwell" freaks out there........
I have also read about some remote kill switches that are being develpoed. Basically the authorities will have the ability to hit a switch and "kill" the car they are chasing. It would need to be worked into the manufacturing process so that all cars would come with it.
That would end high-speed chases thru residential/commercial zones and save alot of innocent people, but....................................
Not sure if I want any kind of control taken away from me.
I have also read about some remote kill switches that are being develpoed. Basically the authorities will have the ability to hit a switch and "kill" the car they are chasing. It would need to be worked into the manufacturing process so that all cars would come with it.
That would end high-speed chases thru residential/commercial zones and save alot of innocent people, but....................................
Not sure if I want any kind of control taken away from me.
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From: Under a Shady Palm
I can see it now.........
Cop spots a felon driving ahead of him. Felon starts to flee. Cop pushes his "stop all traffic" button. All cars in the area are affected - except the felon's.
Cop is blocked by all the stopped cars. Felon waves cheerfully as he speeds away.
Gerry
Cop spots a felon driving ahead of him. Felon starts to flee. Cop pushes his "stop all traffic" button. All cars in the area are affected - except the felon's.
Cop is blocked by all the stopped cars. Felon waves cheerfully as he speeds away.
Gerry
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From: Madison
Driving is not merely a privilege. There is a U.S. Supreme court case called Bell that established that a license, once issued, is a property right.
This is how the process works. They pick a very bad defendant, an extreme case, or an unpopular political or ethnic group. Then instead of prosecuting them with existing laws, they extend their powers even further.
There are lots of situations where they'll be able to use these boxes to make crimes where there would not have been crimes. If you get in an accident you can bet that they will prosecute you if they can show that you were speeding. Speed doesn't equal accidents under most circumstances, especially when speed limits are set way too low. But that won't stop prosecutors.
In NYC cops are now being allowed to serve as the judge and jury in the very tickets that they gave out! In NYC they have been taking people's cars for "reckless driving" for some time now. Reckless driving is defined as 3 or more citations from one stop.
The courts just sanctioned BS road blocks to allegedly gather information that are really being used as random drug sniff and OWI road block stops.
It goes on and on. Our rights are vanishing.
Wake up!
This is how the process works. They pick a very bad defendant, an extreme case, or an unpopular political or ethnic group. Then instead of prosecuting them with existing laws, they extend their powers even further.
There are lots of situations where they'll be able to use these boxes to make crimes where there would not have been crimes. If you get in an accident you can bet that they will prosecute you if they can show that you were speeding. Speed doesn't equal accidents under most circumstances, especially when speed limits are set way too low. But that won't stop prosecutors.
In NYC cops are now being allowed to serve as the judge and jury in the very tickets that they gave out! In NYC they have been taking people's cars for "reckless driving" for some time now. Reckless driving is defined as 3 or more citations from one stop.
The courts just sanctioned BS road blocks to allegedly gather information that are really being used as random drug sniff and OWI road block stops.
It goes on and on. Our rights are vanishing.
Wake up!
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From: East Bay
I'm sorry, but I for one agree with a lot that douge has to say.
I am of the opinion that a person does have the right to break the law, but the government has the absoulte right to try and convict you of a crime, and then punish you for it. The government does not have the right to prevent you from commiting a crime, but they can and will detain you upon commiting that said crime. In terms of the constitution or other laws, no, it does not specifically imply that you have the right to commit a crime, but the writ of habeus corpus implies that the government can only detain you and try you if they have compelling reason to do so, thus upon commiting a crime.
Example: I want to rob a bank. The police can not stop me until I attempt to do so, or until I have commited some other crime leading up to the attempted robbery.
In terms of having a black box in our car, I hate the idea of it. Especially by Honda not enclosing to the consumer before purchase that our car has one, or that it can potentially be used as evidence of a crime (or that it can be used to void your warranty). I also do not believe that police should be able to use it as evidence, under the 4th amendment, but I guess you could argue that recovering a black box was legal in that the police had probable cause that a crime was committed...
Plus I fully agree with 2004s200 that our right slowly are vanishing, and very few seem to care....
::dons flame retardent suit::
I am of the opinion that a person does have the right to break the law, but the government has the absoulte right to try and convict you of a crime, and then punish you for it. The government does not have the right to prevent you from commiting a crime, but they can and will detain you upon commiting that said crime. In terms of the constitution or other laws, no, it does not specifically imply that you have the right to commit a crime, but the writ of habeus corpus implies that the government can only detain you and try you if they have compelling reason to do so, thus upon commiting a crime.
Example: I want to rob a bank. The police can not stop me until I attempt to do so, or until I have commited some other crime leading up to the attempted robbery.
In terms of having a black box in our car, I hate the idea of it. Especially by Honda not enclosing to the consumer before purchase that our car has one, or that it can potentially be used as evidence of a crime (or that it can be used to void your warranty). I also do not believe that police should be able to use it as evidence, under the 4th amendment, but I guess you could argue that recovering a black box was legal in that the police had probable cause that a crime was committed...
Plus I fully agree with 2004s200 that our right slowly are vanishing, and very few seem to care....
::dons flame retardent suit::
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Raising a thread from the dead! But with good reason....
http://www.designnews.com/article/51...ack_Boxes_.php
Big Brother just got a little bigger...
http://www.designnews.com/article/51...ack_Boxes_.php
Big Brother just got a little bigger...
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From: Brighton, MI
Raising a thread from the dead! But with good reason....
http://www.designnews.com/article/51...ack_Boxes_.php
Big Brother just got a little bigger...
http://www.designnews.com/article/51...ack_Boxes_.php
Big Brother just got a little bigger...