In the two race SCCA had with T2 at Lime Rock Park this year, The S2000 beat a Camaro and a Boxter S.

In the first race, after 30 laps the S2000 won by 16 seconds over the Camaro and 36 seconds over the Boxter S (which was allowed a wing, whereas the S2K wasn't even allowed the factory spoiler)

Later in the season, the second race, the Camaro used it's torque and traffic down the main straight to take lead about 5 laps before the end of the race. However, on the second to the last lap, the T1 Winning Corvette got between the S2000 and the Camaro.

On the main straight, the T1 went to the right to pass the Camaro and the S2000 followed right on his tail around the Camaro and held him off for the last laps and won his second T2 race at LRP.

I don't even know how far back the Boxter S finished this time --- Does it really matter???

The answer is, on the track (which means on the road as well) the S2000 performs far better then the Boxter S.

You have to decide if you prefer luxury to outright race car for the road!!!

 

I don't like the looks of either the S2000 or the Boxster without some additional bodywork with factory parts. I really like the Boxster S with the Tequipment body kit. If you have the money, go for the Boxster S.

Lots of misinformation and generalizations going on here. The Boxster S is one fine car and so is the regular Boxster. That boxer engine sounds much more tuned than our raw F20C. Sweet.

 

I agree that the boxster's a great car, it's just not that much better than ours if any. If you go read the thread on the forum we're talking about, you'll see that they are totally dismissing the S2000 as being competitive at all with the boxster.

 

by the title of the post alone, I'll reserve my comments..

 

Any "dismissing" on either one of the cars in the comparative light is a waste of time. Granted, I think the Boxster S and the S2000 is the tougher argument and both are a cut above the non-S Boxster.

Here's how I break it down:

Looks: Up-in-the-air
Interior: S2000
Sound: Boxster S
Performance: An edge to the Boxster for its extra low-end grunt, but the S2000 has a higher PPP (panty-pulling-power).
Uniqueness Factor: S2000 - Day-by-day I am more impressed with the car with little things I learn about it and the fact that Honda has a very strong racing presence in F1 of which I am a fan.

 

If the Boxster "S" stickered at $32,740 I would have bought it over my S2000. However at around $56,000 it's no contest. The "S" Boxster is marginally better than our S2000 IMO. But at an additional $20k+ I don't think it's worth the extra coin.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cyber_x
[B]The funny part is that they're putting down the S2000 for being a Honda.

 

Some day I need to get a 2-car trailer so I can do a back to back track comparison.

The Boxster S "feels" faster and it is effortless to drive fast. The S2000 doesn't feel as fast as it probably is, has quicker steering, more oversteer (fun), more body roll and more rattles. IMHO the the S2000 is the better bargin but if you have the bucks it's hard to fault the Boxster S.

 

I've never really been a die-hard car person enough to form brand generalizations. I didn't even know I wanted an S2K when I went shopping for a sportscar. It just so happens I'm intelligent enough to ignore badges and found the car that fit all the requirements (and the budget) I was searching for. But ever since becoming an owner, I've come across soooo many angry folks that absolutely hate Hondas because they're Hondas. Can anyone explain what it is about Honda's past that elicits such a passionate reaction from some folks? Is it the F&F thing with the evil Johnny Chan driving a Berlina S2k? If so, get ready for more since it looks like the S2k will be making a return performace as the car of preference for the bad guys. And PINK! no less. /me shakes head.

 

The problem in my view with the Honda/Porsche debate is that the majority of people are not honest about what they are debating. To your face or in print, people will talk about HP, torque, curb weight, etc., however, in reality the issue is really perception and the need to feel better than others.

Porsche people look upon the S2000 and are probably annoyed that the car with an MSRP of $32k has the performance of their $52k car. The last thing they want is for some stranger or even a friend to think that this middle-America appealing car brand could possibly have something that equates with their upper-America appealing car brand. They paid the money and got the brand. They should be looked upon with all the respect that the Porsche label bestows on people of their class.

S2000 people are annoyed that they paid much more than a typical Honda car and that their car could possibly be equated with a lowly Civic. They want the respect that the Porsche badge brings because the performance of the car earns that. However, the brand is the brand and no matter what, people still equate the Honda brand with great, but low cost common autos.

In a nutshell, if people were really interested in only performance, that problem could be settled easily by looking at the fact based measurements of the car's attributes. Debate over. In reality the real debate is based on the insecurity/annoyance of each brand's owner for the reasons stated above.