S2000 Handling Limits
Originally Posted by zo0mmike,Apr 29 2007, 08:40 PM
I don't know what to believe. I'm hearing experienced drivers saying anything less than high end coilovers will decrease handling performance yet there are tons of ppl with mid range coilovers that are happy and claiming better handling. I'm just going to try out Bilstein PSS9's and see for myself.
Has there been anyone that had a set non high end coilovers installed and just had to go back to stock?
Has there been anyone that had a set non high end coilovers installed and just had to go back to stock?
Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Apr 29 2007, 04:43 PM
But most of the time you are actually decreasing the ability of the car in order to match the ability of the driver. Doesn't it make more sense to increase the ability of the driver to match the ability of the car?
Instruction and seat time are the EXACT remedy to the problem you are describing in the first post.
The driver mod is not only the most effective, but it also translates to every car you'll ever drive and is the most fun to install
Stiffer front sway bar would reduce oversteer and make the car feel more stable. My experience at the track last week was that the car has an initial oversteer "lurch" which requires somewhat delicate inputs at corner entry, then felt fairly neutral through most turns. Bigger front bar should be a cheap/easy way to reduce that initial oversteer a bit, and I don't think it should hurt mid-corner performance much if any. Or you could disconnect the rear bar (FREE!).
As mentioned, driver training is the best thing you could do.
As mentioned, driver training is the best thing you could do.
Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Apr 29 2007, 06:43 PM
Here's what you are doing if you stiffen up the anti-roll bars: you are decreasing the available grip. Yes, sometimes you want to do that, in order to fine-tune the balance of the car. But most of the time you are actually decreasing the ability of the car in order to match the ability of the driver. Doesn't it make more sense to increase the ability of the driver to match the ability of the car?
A lot of people lump all AP1
Originally Posted by Black Sheep,Apr 29 2007, 10:54 AM
I find that the I cannot go bends around 90 degrees or so without dropping below 40MPH. I've done this in larger family sized cars and for some reason they feel safer. The S tends to lift and goes a little light at the back as if it's about to snap back round suddenly, though it's not done that yet.
Most cars come from the factory configured with a tendency to understeer. To most drivers, that feels "safe", but that doesn't mean that it's optimal for performance-oriented driving. As previously mentioned, if you want to instill this tendency to understeer into your car, and thereby make it feel "safe" to you, then one simple remedy is to install a larger front sway bar.
My actual advice, though, would be this: If you feel like the car is not safe at that speed, then you're absolutely right. Slow down before you exceed your driving capabilities and wreck the car.
were you in higher gear? because i have an 07 might not be a good year to compare, but when I'm in higher gear I feel the back would be light off just like how you feels, but when i'm lower gear in higher rpm, the car just hug that curve and glide like a charm.
Given the name of the thread, what's the S2000 like at the limits on dry roads? Do you get any tire noise. Short of the rear breaking loose, what signals does it give? I've felt a bit of understeer in an ap2, but nothing that would make me worry.
mikegarrison - Thanks for clearing that up, I realise he meant now after reading up on some articles on Sway Bars, yes I'm guilty of not done any track time. Not sure how it works in the States but over here they tend to book days at the track for a group, these bookings are few are far and the days never work out for me. I'm currently looking at disused airfields as another option.
A lot of you other guys were also right, it probably has a lot to do with me being the weak link, though I can drive fast but I wouldn't say it's technical driving as such. I used to have a Integra R and found the limits on that easy to find and control. With the S I am unsure about the break away charactistics so I will improve myself first as suggested by you guys.
Fongu - I think you're on the right track, I will adjust my driving style and see, I beleive my timing might be off in regards to area of braking and coming out of corners.
cdelena - you're right, later model S2000s did go through a suspension geometry to take the edge of the handling a little after early reviews reported it handle too sensitively.
mxt_77 - I take this corner and monitor the speed I find that a BMW I feel that it grips better than the S and maybe even go 40mph+. In the S2000 I go round the same corner but the rear just doesn't feel as if there more grip. It might be the BMW is just wider giving more lateral grip.
A lot of you other guys were also right, it probably has a lot to do with me being the weak link, though I can drive fast but I wouldn't say it's technical driving as such. I used to have a Integra R and found the limits on that easy to find and control. With the S I am unsure about the break away charactistics so I will improve myself first as suggested by you guys.
Fongu - I think you're on the right track, I will adjust my driving style and see, I beleive my timing might be off in regards to area of braking and coming out of corners.
cdelena - you're right, later model S2000s did go through a suspension geometry to take the edge of the handling a little after early reviews reported it handle too sensitively.
mxt_77 - I take this corner and monitor the speed I find that a BMW I feel that it grips better than the S and maybe even go 40mph+. In the S2000 I go round the same corner but the rear just doesn't feel as if there more grip. It might be the BMW is just wider giving more lateral grip.
Originally Posted by iKMTi,Apr 30 2007, 09:11 AM
were you in higher gear? because i have an 07 might not be a good year to compare, but when I'm in higher gear I feel the back would be light off just like how you feels, but when i'm lower gear in higher rpm, the car just hug that curve and glide like a charm.
Normally 2nd or 3rd, half on the throttle with the rev at the mid-range incase I need to step on the gas a little, so it dosen't bog.




