S2000 Handling Limits
Originally Posted by __redruM,Apr 30 2007, 11:02 AM
Given the name of the thread, what's the S2000 like at the limits on dry roads? Do you get any tire noise. Short of the rear breaking loose, what signals does it give? I've felt a bit of understeer in an ap2, but nothing that would make me worry.
Can't really hear it when it's wet though.
Originally Posted by iKMTi,Apr 30 2007, 12:11 PM
were you in higher gear? because i have an 07 might not be a good year to compare, but when I'm in higher gear I feel the back would be light off just like how you feels, but when i'm lower gear in higher rpm, the car just hug that curve and glide like a charm.
Originally Posted by Black Sheep,Apr 30 2007, 11:26 AM
I find the rear tires side a little, the noise is like when you drag a tire across the ground, mines never chriped.
Can't really hear it when it's wet though.
Can't really hear it when it's wet though.
of course oversteer is much more scare and harder to recover than understeer, but everything is build upon experience and confidence. Learn how your tire response at the height of grip(braking, turning and gas, weight transfer, dip, dive, sway,etc)
at the track you can adjust the psi after session to fine tune the pressure, you'll be surprise how little work will pay out.
type R is just a fantastic FWD car, one of the most fine tuned factory fwd car at all time.
Originally Posted by R3DS2K,Apr 29 2007, 10:26 AM
tires... get some some gripper tires
i think the stock suspension pretty sick the way they are but hard to say cuz ap1 and ap2 had somewhat different set up.. rims/tires and suspension
i think the stock suspension pretty sick the way they are but hard to say cuz ap1 and ap2 had somewhat different set up.. rims/tires and suspension
a good mechanic dont just fix a problem, they find out why it fail in the first place.
sure you can throw in gripper tires and mask the real problem, but ultimately did it solve the problem?
this is one of the most common thing novice driver will do at the track: throwing in random hardware and pray it will work. Gripper tire mask the mistake, experience driver will always recommend to learn driving at the height of max adhesion with less grip tire. once you got the concept and skill down, throw in a better rubber and you will much faster.
i've noticed that stock tires are way undersized for the cars need.
once I went larger width on the tires, the problems with stability and bump steer simply went away.
on cornering, I could corner harder and have more tolerance on the rear breaking lose than at stock tire width.
the smaller width tires tend to snap unpredictably, while the wider tires tend to break lose predictably.
it could be just me on this, but I believe in getting wider tires on the rear would help most of the problems, since the suspension and the chasis dynamic on s2000 is very very very good.
The spring rate does need to go stiffer though. They tend to sway/lift the car on hard cornering at high speed, which I don't like much.
once I went larger width on the tires, the problems with stability and bump steer simply went away.
on cornering, I could corner harder and have more tolerance on the rear breaking lose than at stock tire width.
the smaller width tires tend to snap unpredictably, while the wider tires tend to break lose predictably.
it could be just me on this, but I believe in getting wider tires on the rear would help most of the problems, since the suspension and the chasis dynamic on s2000 is very very very good.
The spring rate does need to go stiffer though. They tend to sway/lift the car on hard cornering at high speed, which I don't like much.
Originally Posted by Fongu,Apr 29 2007, 06:59 PM
Assuming you're tires are in good condition, the right sizes, right pressures and there isn't anything broken in the suspension, the stock suspension is plenty capable for a street driven car. The earlier cars do have some handling quirks, but you're not describing them.
IMHO what you're feeling is improper weight transfer, and unfamiliarity with throttle lift or power on oversteer. The car is pretty particular to driver inputs do it wrong and it will punish you, do it right and you won't believe how capable the car is.
IMHO what you're feeling is improper weight transfer, and unfamiliarity with throttle lift or power on oversteer. The car is pretty particular to driver inputs do it wrong and it will punish you, do it right and you won't believe how capable the car is.
Originally Posted by Black Sheep,Apr 29 2007, 07:25 PM
jeggy - All tires are Bridgestone S02s, 3 were new and the other wasn't worn out.
Your car is just like mine was when it was bone stock, and IMO you'll be better off if you learn to handle the stock package before starting to make changes. A good performance driving school will do more for your lap times than anything short of racing rubber and a full race suspension (which of course you probably couldn't drive well without a few schools anyway
).Part of your initial description made me wonder if your stock rear shocks might be worn out, so you might want to check them, but like everyone else, I think the problem here is one of technique.
Also as others have already said, if you're cornering hard enough on public roads for the tail to be getting loose (or to be scaring yourself) then you need to take it to a track or autocross course.
Be careful.
Originally Posted by RED MX5,May 1 2007, 01:45 PM
I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but if you switch to S03's and don't increase the rear tire size you are running less stagger than with the OEM S02's. This does make it harder to keep the back end under the car.
1) S03s are no longer in production.
2) He says he's running S02s.





