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Old Mar 22, 2008 | 05:28 AM
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I find it funny when people complain about the "high" cost of premium vs regular gas. Back when regular was 1.00, premium was 1.20(a 20% premium) now the price is 3.00 for regular and premium is 3.20(in Atlanta). Thus the difference(~6.5%) is much less and premium is a no brainer.
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Old Mar 22, 2008 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ZX11,Mar 21 2008, 06:56 PM


Detonation is what they are trying to advoid with the high CR motors. But then the timing has to be set to the octane due to the slower speed of the burn and the short time available in the power stroke at high rpm. Our kart motors ran on 100 to 110 octane and had to be set for max cylinder pressure at about 10 degrees pass TDC. Set timing for the wrong octane and get max pressure before or at TDC and you are just hammering your bearings. You couldn't just use higher octane and assume you were getting more power. The timing had to match the octane.
Luckily, virtually any motor made since otto started has variable timing...

Better still, most cars with computers have timing maps that use the knock sensor to set the upper timing limit. Basically anything since OBDII (1996). The only way to damage a motor like ours is to run low octane in the heat at high load. That can put the timing too high for the motor to retard enough.
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Old Mar 22, 2008 | 02:44 PM
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If you can't afford to run premium you shouldn't buy an S2000. Knock sensors are great, but keep one thing in mind - they only work after knock has been detected. Running regular in an 11:1 compression engine is pennywise and a pound foolish.
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Old Mar 22, 2008 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by INTJ,Mar 22 2008, 08:01 AM
Luckily, virtually any motor made since otto started has variable timing...

Better still, most cars with computers have timing maps that use the knock sensor to set the upper timing limit. Basically anything since OBDII (1996). The only way to damage a motor like ours is to run low octane in the heat at high load. That can put the timing too high for the motor to retard enough.
Interesting.

It varies according to the octane I put in? Or does it stay with the same map until it detects knock. I thought people were adjusting timing on dynos when they changed things like octane. I didn't know the computer was adjusting as advanced as it can go to find the knock each time it was started.

Shy_guy mentioned the speed of fuel burn changing from octane to octane. If you load the motor with low octane you will knock and the OBDII will retard the timing. If the motor isn't loaded the OBDII computer will return to base timing on the low octane, detect no knock, and continue to have max cyclinder pressure sooner in the crank's rotation than the engineers designed. Giving you slightly more wear and tear and less efficiency. At least that is how I understand timing's ability to adjust to octane.


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