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Old Jan 12, 2001 | 05:18 PM
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Coming home from a leisurely drive I come upon an M5. We are both behind traffic but when a clearing in traffic the other way opens, he guns it, so I follow(fully expecting to get smoked). We keep running into traffic; but eventually the traffic clears a bit and we are both on it. He pulls about a car and half ahead (less than I thought would happen), then we come to a "T" intersection with two left turn lanes. He chooses the inside and gets stuck behind an SUV...I blast around and past him and on through two greens, full throttle with him about 4 cars back, until we hit a red. When we stop, the guy refuses to even acknowledge my existence...he had his nose in the air and an angry, cocky little expression on his face...(I guess he didn't like the fact that $80,000 and a German name didn't make him a better driver) As the light turns green, he hit it but I didnt even bother, I am in this for the fun, not to prove whose d!ck is bigger.

I sure hope any M5 owners on here aren't like this prick.
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Old Jan 12, 2001 | 06:00 PM
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Hey careful man!! Posting something like this on this board can get some of the older stooker's riled up. I learned my lesson last time after viscuos name calling from some other board members towards me. I was a little taken back by the negativity towards me but, I think some of these other stooker's may have their nose in the air too. Oh well, not everybody can understand why we do what we do with our machines huh?

Too bad there was traffic or we could know the results of M5 vs Stook on the street. Can't believe we get all this performance for 30G's. Not bad.
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Old Jan 12, 2001 | 08:03 PM
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I rode in my boss's 2000 M5 just 2 days ago in a situation that he gunned it for quite a few times. The S2000 is no M5, and going any speed if you both really gunned it, you would be looking at the ass end of the M5 from quite a distance away, absolutly no doubt. The guy was probably accelerating normaly and didnt know you were there.


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Old Jan 12, 2001 | 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by y2ks2k:
I rode in my boss's 2000 M5 just 2 days ago in a situation that he gunned it for quite a few times. The S2000 is no M5, and going any speed if you both really gunned it, you would be looking at the ass end of the M5 from quite a distance away, absolutly no doubt. The guy was probably accelerating normaly and didnt know you were there.


There is no doubt that the M5 is faster then the stook. It is however not much faster. It will be a little slower then the E46 M3 so the difference is not that huge.

When people say i rode in it and it is faster about many cars when compared to the stook, remember one thing, when accellerating, your butt feels the torque, this is why an older generation mustang might feel much faster then the s2k but IS NOT.

Side by side accelleration is the best way to know the diffs...

I have no doubt that the M5 will out-accellerate the s2k, but will it smoke it easily?? Not at speeds below 100 MPH that is for sure.



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Old Jan 12, 2001 | 09:14 PM
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It is true that the M5's 0-60 is almost the same as the S2000 (at its best launch), by the quarter it posts a solid 13.2. This being a function of weight. However, the M5 is one of the fastest production cars made from say a start of 20 MPH to 100 MPH as described in the situation I stated above. this is the type of acceleration that the S2000 utterly fails at. From a start of 20 MPH the M5 will handily and no doubt spank the S2000. By the time a typical S2000 owner driving at say 3000 RPM reacts and stuffs the S2000 in a gear close to VTEC range, the M5 running in the same gear around 1500 RPM has already handed the S2000 driver his rear end.

Motor Trend Published numbers from page 133 This month.

M5 0 to 100: 11.7 (M3 11.6)
S2000 0 to 100: 14.2

S2000 owners think to linear in this fashion, our S2000 is very fast launched of the line on a clutch dump but our acceleration at a going speed is much poorer and will always fall to larger displacement.

I personally find that I lose a lot of road contests that involve acceleration while the vehicles are already moving to vehicles that are much less able yet have much more displacement. This simple fact is that if challenged while moving at a general RPM of 3000, we have to shift preferably 2 gears lower to pop into VTEC and accelerate. If you have not noticed, if you punch it in 4th, 5th, 6th gear at 3000, RPM in our S2000, there is not much acceleration until you hit VTEC.

This is the EXACT feeling I had with my 8,200 RPM, 7,200 peak HP del Sol VTEC I drove for 3 years, the S2000 operates exactly the same.

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Old Jan 12, 2001 | 09:56 PM
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The numbers you showed above were actually from 0, not from 20. When he really punched it(I know he did from the car squatting and seeing his eyes in the rearview mirror checking to see if I would follow) we were traveling at about 35-38 mph. I anticipated his punching it and I was in 2nd...right at the beginning of VTEC. The real strength of the S2k is in THESE situations, not from a stand still....when the car is already moving and you downshift into a gear that enables VTEC..THAT is when you really feel the strength of the car. I know he probably wasnt 100% into it, but I bet he was about 95% which is why he only barely pulled away. I also know he was racing because when he turned that corner he was VERY HOT and had to SLAM on the breaks to avoid the SUV.

The whole point of my original post was that he wasnt that good of a driver and in the end, he wasnt that good of a sport.
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Old Jan 12, 2001 | 10:51 PM
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240 vs. 400 I don't care how much it weighs That car is fast plain and simple!

Would make a nice second car!
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Old Jan 12, 2001 | 11:10 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by huyto:
[B]Hey careful man!!
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Old Jan 12, 2001 | 11:42 PM
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As that sweet slut Madonna would say, "Papa don't preach!" As one of those "older" stook drivers, I've found myself driving too fast when challenged by another. Sometimes I bite, someetimes I don't. Sometimes a nod of acknowledgement as the guy punches it and assumes a victory is more fun than a race. More than once, I have not risen to the bait and later encountered my would-be challenger further down the road, pulled over by the local radar- wielding constabulary. The smile on my face as I cruise by that scene is often more satisfying than any easy kill would have been.
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Old Jan 13, 2001 | 12:44 AM
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Are you kidding? The M5 would make a great FIRST car. Who are we kidding here. The S2000s great, but for someone with one ride, I'll take the M5 anyday. The next best thing is the S2000 so I will happily take it, however.

I don't understand how you could say the S2000 at speed is where its weak point lies. I figure with all this upper rpm action with the high redline, we want to be in situations where we're at speed and downshifting to launch into the VTEC zone and not launching off the line due to the low amount of torque it's got.

Keep posting racing encounters. Those are my fav topics.
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