Yeah, I agree that you have more grip on wet tarmac. What I'm trying to ask is, when you transition from grip to oversteer on wet tarmac, does it happen "faster" (more surprisingly? more violently? less smoothly? in a way that is harder to catch?) than when the same thing happens on grass?

Of course, all I need to demonstrate this to myself is a good sized wet empty carpark with no police around. Not so easy to find though, at least not where I live.

 

That brings all new meaning to those pesky cones.

 

 

Ok PPL stay off the golf courses, PUHLEEZ!

 

Depends on the tarmac. The autocross course that I've run in the rain still offers fairly good traction, and has excellent behavior at the limits (easy to predict and easy to catch). However, the one road course that I've run in the rain was miserable. Huge transitions from grip to no-grip when you cross the "dry line". And the "no-grip" areas were just like ice. I spun several times when taking a corner at less than 25mph. It happened more quickly than I could counter-steer.

 

 

There is no single answer to this question as there are a lot of variables. A good driver can retrieve a car that is out of control, although there are times when a driver reaches the point of no return. If you have reached that point, you are just a mere passenger.

Depending upon how fast you are going, a car could rotate pretty darn quickly on wet tarmac. At slower speeds, (depending upon road conditions) a driver is less likely to lose it. This is because, at slower speeds, it takes twice as much time for weight to transfer than it does at high speed. (45 mph vs 100 mph)