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12-12-2006, 02:41 PM
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You Spin Me Right Round S2K.
So what are the reasons why there are seamingly lots of S2000 crashes
lately or for that matter ever?
Is it the weather / road conditions, bad driving, unfamiliarity with rear
wheel drive, a design 'fault' with the S or what.
I dont frequent many other boards (used to visit Lotus BBS a lot) but
is this a common theme on sports/sporting car forums or is it just us?
I must be in the top half of the age/experience group on here and these
posts are a little unnerving! I havn't seen my S for ages, it doesn't come
out of the garage much any more.
Give your thoughts as to why its such an S2000 phenomenom
Russ.
( I AM taking the p*ss here, if you crash then your crap. End of.)
lately or for that matter ever?
Is it the weather / road conditions, bad driving, unfamiliarity with rear
wheel drive, a design 'fault' with the S or what.
I dont frequent many other boards (used to visit Lotus BBS a lot) but
is this a common theme on sports/sporting car forums or is it just us?
I must be in the top half of the age/experience group on here and these
posts are a little unnerving! I havn't seen my S for ages, it doesn't come
out of the garage much any more.
Give your thoughts as to why its such an S2000 phenomenom
Russ.
( I AM taking the p*ss here, if you crash then your crap. End of.)
12-12-2006, 02:47 PM
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As per a reply of mine in another post, I was saying exactly the same.
In anything less than ideal conditions, this thing appears to handle like a crock. Hardly a trait for a performance car.
If I can make better progress in a Mondeo for six months of a year then I think I need my head examining.
And, like you I put myself in the upper experience bracket, also having grown up with tuned SD1's, Crapis, Tuned Opels etc.
Viscious LSD on a road car? You have to wonder..... never had surprises like this before, ever.
In anything less than ideal conditions, this thing appears to handle like a crock. Hardly a trait for a performance car.
If I can make better progress in a Mondeo for six months of a year then I think I need my head examining.
And, like you I put myself in the upper experience bracket, also having grown up with tuned SD1's, Crapis, Tuned Opels etc.
Viscious LSD on a road car? You have to wonder..... never had surprises like this before, ever.
12-12-2006, 03:02 PM
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Happens every year around about now.
Damp & cold roads, 50:50 balance, RWD, 190 bhp to the rear wheels, and tyres that take a fair while to warm up.
Plus ignorance of one or more of those facts
Nothing more, nothing less.
Damp & cold roads, 50:50 balance, RWD, 190 bhp to the rear wheels, and tyres that take a fair while to warm up.
Plus ignorance of one or more of those facts
Nothing more, nothing less.
12-12-2006, 03:17 PM
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Would you like to add LSD to that list Graham?
Seems a major factor - arse gets chucked about on strange cambers.
Great on a track, but this is a bloody road car!
And this standing water thing..... wha??!!
I have NEVER owned a car that reacted to standing water by spinning into a crash barrier. Ive read of several of these on the boards too.
Sounds extremely dangerous and not a result of any of the above either.
Now if almost every other car on the planet will cope with it, why am I drving this deathtrap around? Or, more importantly, how will the other half cope with it?
I dont believe for one minute there are so many incompetant drivers out there,
or on these forums either. Something ain't right here.....
Seems a major factor - arse gets chucked about on strange cambers.
Great on a track, but this is a bloody road car!
And this standing water thing..... wha??!!
I have NEVER owned a car that reacted to standing water by spinning into a crash barrier. Ive read of several of these on the boards too.
Sounds extremely dangerous and not a result of any of the above either.
Now if almost every other car on the planet will cope with it, why am I drving this deathtrap around? Or, more importantly, how will the other half cope with it?
I dont believe for one minute there are so many incompetant drivers out there,
or on these forums either. Something ain't right here.....
12-12-2006, 03:21 PM
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No, I wouldn't like to add the LSD, it seems fine to me
I know I'm asking for trouble by saying this but (touches all the wood around him), I've never had so much of a twitch from mine except when I've hit the gas too soon on a slippery corner.
Even on hitting standing water at 60 on the M6.
I'm not professing to be a driving god either - I've never been on track, never had any instruction, yet I seem to be able to use mine as a daily driver without any issues. I'm not exactly ragging the arse off it but I'm not doing 10mph either. I tend to do around the various speed limts (that's not a moral stance about speeding, just the benchmark I tend to use).
My only concession to treating it gingerly is for the first 10 minutes each day while the S02s warm up.
I know I'm asking for trouble by saying this but (touches all the wood around him), I've never had so much of a twitch from mine except when I've hit the gas too soon on a slippery corner.
Even on hitting standing water at 60 on the M6.
I'm not professing to be a driving god either - I've never been on track, never had any instruction, yet I seem to be able to use mine as a daily driver without any issues. I'm not exactly ragging the arse off it but I'm not doing 10mph either. I tend to do around the various speed limts (that's not a moral stance about speeding, just the benchmark I tend to use).
My only concession to treating it gingerly is for the first 10 minutes each day while the S02s warm up.
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To answer one of the original questions, there were just as many crashes on the 200SX forum when I owned mine 5 years ago.
Powerful RWD with no traction control will often catch out inexperienced drivers who are taught to drive in FWD.
Powerful RWD with no traction control will often catch out inexperienced drivers who are taught to drive in FWD.
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There are two main causes IMO:
Driving into standing water when the LSD thinks it knows best has caused a few this year. Both wheels lose traction, it's a lottery as to which wheel has more, and whichever one does gets the power bound for the other wheel and the result is a car which wants to turn about facing the way it came if you're not careful (and lucky).
The other is just people not having a clue how to drive the car and turning in too early. This more often than not results in the tail going light and coming out in the wet; and if you aren't clued up it'll have you in the barrier.
The car isn't prone to aquaplaning, but the standard tyres are, and when they let go, the LSD f**ks you in the ass at anything above 60mph.
As for is it common in sports cars? Not in the 111R, I'm happy trundling along at 100mph+ on stretches of road where my asshole contracted at 60 in the S2K due to aquaplaning and a wayward LSD.
Driving into standing water when the LSD thinks it knows best has caused a few this year. Both wheels lose traction, it's a lottery as to which wheel has more, and whichever one does gets the power bound for the other wheel and the result is a car which wants to turn about facing the way it came if you're not careful (and lucky).
The other is just people not having a clue how to drive the car and turning in too early. This more often than not results in the tail going light and coming out in the wet; and if you aren't clued up it'll have you in the barrier.
The car isn't prone to aquaplaning, but the standard tyres are, and when they let go, the LSD f**ks you in the ass at anything above 60mph.
As for is it common in sports cars? Not in the 111R, I'm happy trundling along at 100mph+ on stretches of road where my asshole contracted at 60 in the S2K due to aquaplaning and a wayward LSD.