Will the RDX engine rev out at all? Is it a K-series? Maybe it will prove valuable as a turbo manifold donor for the S. Who the hell knows, it isn't even out yet!

 

No,

I'm talking about http://www.Hybrid-Racing.com based in Louisiana. I got everything but my motor mounts from them for my K-swap in my Integra.

 

However, are stock manifolds ever as good as aftermarket manifolds (especially seeing that aftermarket manifolds are available for the K and the F blocks)?

For the F-motor, I wouldn't go further than the Love Fab. I think the guy that runs it is Tinker219 and is based in South-western MI....just a quick drive for us IL folks.

 

Unknown, but with 240 hp and 260 lb-ft, I expect a redline of about 5500rpm... You can do anything you want with enough money, but I doubt the RDX engine will spin to 8000 without blowing up if all you do is an ECU flash.

 

Since we're in full speculation mode at this time, I'm predicting that SOME form of Honda's new factory turbo'ed engine will find it's way in either a newly developed sports car or sports compact. I tend to think that the 'purity' of having the best naturally aspirated 4 cyl out there (along with the F1 roots) will keep the S2000 NA, but I believe Honda will be coming out with a turbo version of whatever replaces the RSX, or develop some new sports car eventually.

Having owned an RSX before my S2K, I can definitely see why someone would like the K20A2 platform. That engine is a blast to mod! And S2000 people are missing out on the joys of having a fully programmable ECU like K-Pro. Of course I like the F22C more, that's why I got it. But now that Hondata is developing at least a reflash for the 06+ S2000, I expect to see great things. The thought that maybe Hondata will eventually make a fully programmable ECU for the F22C makes me giddy with anticipation.

 

I see your points, very good one's at that... But I wouldnt take shawn church finding worth a dime... THis is the same guy who has people believing that a stock ap2 s2k can dyn in at 235 rwhp when the car only makes 240 crank power.

 

More power does not always = more fun...

Enough people complain about the AP2 only revving to 8k. The very character of this car is defined by it's "frantic" sense of being. Take that away and I do believe the s2k would lose its soul.

 

I'm not sure about the 235whp, but I do believe that the 2.2L motors are putting down more power than published by Honda marketing. I've driven too many AP2's to believe they are putting down the same hp and tq as the AP1's. This is the soul reason I would think to go with a F22 swap if the Kswap isn't do-able soon.

Actually now to think about it, maybe it is possible for the F22 to put 230+ to the ground. Let's just suggest that at the crank the motor is really putting out 260 at peak (not too much of a stretch to believe, right?). Now throw on a MY2000 or MY2001 ECU. This should allow the F22 to run leaner on an OEM-ish ECU (maybe 270 to the crank now?). I dunno...all speculation.

 

The f22 puts down about 8 more rwhp than an f20.. I have seen about twenty dyno's of both cars. And no the f22 comes no where near the 235 rwhp mark... Every dyno I have seen is about 200 ap1 and 208 ap2.. With about 10 more torque also.. But that extra power (which in reality isnt that much) is nullified in a drag race do to the ap2 gears etc...

 

Didn't we JUST have the AP1 vs. AP2 argument yesterday?

The fact of the matter is, the AP2 puts down between 5-9whp more than the AP1... eleventybillion dyno days with S2K groups have proven this time and time again. And they are dead even as far as speed/acceleration is concerned.