S2k with RDX Engine
Originally Posted by vbeachboy,Jan 17 2006, 04:20 PM
Didn't we JUST have the AP1 vs. AP2 argument yesterday?
The fact of the matter is, the AP2 puts down between 5-9whp more than the AP1... eleventybillion dyno days with S2K groups have proven this time and time again. And they are dead even as far as speed/acceleration is concerned.
The fact of the matter is, the AP2 puts down between 5-9whp more than the AP1... eleventybillion dyno days with S2K groups have proven this time and time again. And they are dead even as far as speed/acceleration is concerned.
I watched the interview with Bill from www.vtec.net and the Project Manager of the RDX prototype project and he asked him about the block used in the RDX and it is not anything Honda is currently using. He specifically asked if it was a K20 variation, and it is not. He stated they designed a new block because the others did not have the long term durability they wanted. This does not mean you can not turbo a K, B or F block Honda motor, just what they did in the design process.
If you visit the article written in Road and Track back in March 2005, the AP2 S2000 did very well against and came in 5th in front of the SLK350 (newer body style), the 350Z, the Z4 3.0i and the Dodge Viper. They went as far as to say the S2000 had the best shifter of any production car made today. It would have also beaten the Lotus Elise if it were not for the fact the Elise is a nicer all out sports car in there sports car tests. The Top Gear customer survey has seen it in 1st place 2 of the last 3 years, out of 120+ cars and 50,000+ surveys. They were even so good, the SCCA bumped them from B Stock to A stock because they were wining so much (the AP1s), and they are still dominating the A stock class in nationals. HP is not everything, the Mazda RX8 cleaned up the B stock class this year, which included 350Zs and G35s.
VTEC .NET articles:
http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-ar...icle_id=478706
R&T Article:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?se...article_id=1949
Top Gear Survey - Top 10:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/survey/top_10.shtml
I am perfectly happy with my S2000. I have wanted one since they came out and now have one.
If you visit the article written in Road and Track back in March 2005, the AP2 S2000 did very well against and came in 5th in front of the SLK350 (newer body style), the 350Z, the Z4 3.0i and the Dodge Viper. They went as far as to say the S2000 had the best shifter of any production car made today. It would have also beaten the Lotus Elise if it were not for the fact the Elise is a nicer all out sports car in there sports car tests. The Top Gear customer survey has seen it in 1st place 2 of the last 3 years, out of 120+ cars and 50,000+ surveys. They were even so good, the SCCA bumped them from B Stock to A stock because they were wining so much (the AP1s), and they are still dominating the A stock class in nationals. HP is not everything, the Mazda RX8 cleaned up the B stock class this year, which included 350Zs and G35s.
VTEC .NET articles:
http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-ar...icle_id=478706
R&T Article:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?se...article_id=1949
Top Gear Survey - Top 10:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/survey/top_10.shtml
I am perfectly happy with my S2000. I have wanted one since they came out and now have one.
Originally Posted by kayvan_pour,Jan 17 2006, 02:02 PM
I see your points, very good one's at that... But I wouldnt take shawn church finding worth a dime... THis is the same guy who has people believing that a stock ap2 s2k can dyn in at 235 rwhp when the car only makes 240 crank power.
He has probably tuned more S2000's that you will have an opportunity to drive in your lifetime. Among the most elite and reputable S2000 tuners in the US if not the world.
It's a 900 mile round trip from the bay area and several of us go to him exclusively.
Honda under-rated the crank hp on the F22.
My '02 F20C did 218 rwhp NA on his dyno. So about 10% drivetrain loss.
Which car made 235 rwhp? What mods and redline?
Dynos don't lie, manufacturers do.
Originally Posted by Asura,Jan 17 2006, 06:59 PM
Well Shawn Church doesn't make things up. He never has in the 4 years I have known him, and he has no reason to.
He has probably tuned more S2000's that you will have an opportunity to drive in your lifetime. Among the most elite and reputable S2000 tuners in the US if not the world.
It's a 900 mile round trip from the bay area and several of us go to him exclusively.
Honda under-rated the crank hp on the F22.
My '02 F20C did 218 rwhp NA on his dyno. So about 10% drivetrain loss.
Which car made 235 rwhp? What mods and redline?
Dynos don't lie, manufacturers do.
He has probably tuned more S2000's that you will have an opportunity to drive in your lifetime. Among the most elite and reputable S2000 tuners in the US if not the world.
It's a 900 mile round trip from the bay area and several of us go to him exclusively.
Honda under-rated the crank hp on the F22.
My '02 F20C did 218 rwhp NA on his dyno. So about 10% drivetrain loss.
Which car made 235 rwhp? What mods and redline?
Dynos don't lie, manufacturers do.
At our dyno day a few months ago not on ap2 broke 206 I believe....
I'm not sure about the 235whp, but I do believe that the 2.2L motors are putting down more power than published by Honda marketing.
Actually now to think about it, maybe it is possible for the F22 to put 230+ to the ground. Let's just suggest that at the crank the motor is really putting out 260 at peak (not too much of a stretch to believe, right?).
The fact of the matter is, the AP2 puts down between 5-9whp more than the AP1
My '02 F20C did 218 rwhp NA on his dyno. So about 10% drivetrain loss.
Which car made 235 rwhp? What mods and redline?
Which car made 235 rwhp? What mods and redline?
Dynos don't lie, manufacturers do.







