Safety -- Crash Test Ratings
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From: Desoto
I have to lean towards Cdelena's viewpoint... I tend to plan for avoidance vs. crashes, however were I to plan on crashing, our Odyssey is one of the highest rated vehicles tested!
As far as real world testing there is plenty of evidence supplied by owners as to the ability of the stook in crash tests... Greg among others has run his into non_yielding objects. I have yet to see a deformed passenger cabin to date.
As far as real world testing there is plenty of evidence supplied by owners as to the ability of the stook in crash tests... Greg among others has run his into non_yielding objects. I have yet to see a deformed passenger cabin to date.
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From: HP
The safest car is the one well driven!!
BTW Red, there was a pic posted of a black s2k with a seriously compromised passenger cabin. I believe it involved a high speed trip into the woods that would have balled up just about any car.
BTW Red, there was a pic posted of a black s2k with a seriously compromised passenger cabin. I believe it involved a high speed trip into the woods that would have balled up just about any car.
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From: Portland
1Y2KS2k:
All good points.
The S2k better damn well be USA DOT approved. I'd hope for much more...For instance, we do not have a side airbag, while most of the roadsters and cars I compared (see other post titled 'My roadster comparisons' have them. No head airbags,
of course, either <-- these car have quite an effect as you have read at www.hwysafety.org.
Red/Allan:
This weekend we had a headon accident on Hwy 26, because a car swerved into oncoming traffic. The freeway was closed for half the afternoon. How are you going to avoid that? Or, how about the drunk driver? Or, how about a guy who decided to pull out into a 45MPH oncoming traffic? <-- the last scenario happened to us in our Mercedes ML320. The driver was uninsured. There is simply nothing you can do in many situations. I don't know your age, but I'll tell you, the older I get, the less invincible I feel by the day.
Safety is prudent and should be a very serious concern for all of you. Many of you will need to be in some accidents before you appreciate this fact.
Red-
On the BMW forums, someone recently posted a picture of a Ferrari, that was probably the size of a kitchen table. I think the pictures were from Brazil -- and they showed some of the most disguisting stuff I've ever seem (human remains, parts, etc). Needless to say, the cabin of the S2k or a Ferrari is going to be deformed in the bad accidents...
In the end, the safety of the S2K isn't ideal. It could be much better. I hope Honda, at the very least, addresses this in '02 w/side airbags at a minimum.
Regards, Mark
All good points.
The S2k better damn well be USA DOT approved. I'd hope for much more...For instance, we do not have a side airbag, while most of the roadsters and cars I compared (see other post titled 'My roadster comparisons' have them. No head airbags,
of course, either <-- these car have quite an effect as you have read at www.hwysafety.org.
Red/Allan:
This weekend we had a headon accident on Hwy 26, because a car swerved into oncoming traffic. The freeway was closed for half the afternoon. How are you going to avoid that? Or, how about the drunk driver? Or, how about a guy who decided to pull out into a 45MPH oncoming traffic? <-- the last scenario happened to us in our Mercedes ML320. The driver was uninsured. There is simply nothing you can do in many situations. I don't know your age, but I'll tell you, the older I get, the less invincible I feel by the day.
Safety is prudent and should be a very serious concern for all of you. Many of you will need to be in some accidents before you appreciate this fact.
Red-
On the BMW forums, someone recently posted a picture of a Ferrari, that was probably the size of a kitchen table. I think the pictures were from Brazil -- and they showed some of the most disguisting stuff I've ever seem (human remains, parts, etc). Needless to say, the cabin of the S2k or a Ferrari is going to be deformed in the bad accidents...
In the end, the safety of the S2K isn't ideal. It could be much better. I hope Honda, at the very least, addresses this in '02 w/side airbags at a minimum.
Regards, Mark
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From: Brussels, Belgium
Hi All:
I work with the automotive industry and frequently involved with side and frontal off-set impacts.
Obviously, driver and passenger airbags (in steering wheel and instrument panel) are very good safety devices. Especially with safety belts that have energy absorption devices and pre-tensioners in them (does the Stook have that BTW? - I never checked!)
However, having been involved in side impact testing with and without side airbags, in many cases, side airbags are basically just a sales gimmick...(!!!)
From lower up to the required testing speeds, the passenger(s) may have a slight advantage with the side bags (just a bruise less maybe), but when the going gets tough, no way a bag with some hot air in it which is only within a few inches of room, is going to help you hurt less. (check how much room there really is between your torso and the door panel or B-pillar).
A side head airbag may be usefull (it can protect from direct contact with side window), but during the 'rebound' fase, it is deflated anyway, so you can still hit some sharp edges of the window...
Just my two cents!
I work with the automotive industry and frequently involved with side and frontal off-set impacts.
Obviously, driver and passenger airbags (in steering wheel and instrument panel) are very good safety devices. Especially with safety belts that have energy absorption devices and pre-tensioners in them (does the Stook have that BTW? - I never checked!)
However, having been involved in side impact testing with and without side airbags, in many cases, side airbags are basically just a sales gimmick...(!!!)
From lower up to the required testing speeds, the passenger(s) may have a slight advantage with the side bags (just a bruise less maybe), but when the going gets tough, no way a bag with some hot air in it which is only within a few inches of room, is going to help you hurt less. (check how much room there really is between your torso and the door panel or B-pillar).
A side head airbag may be usefull (it can protect from direct contact with side window), but during the 'rebound' fase, it is deflated anyway, so you can still hit some sharp edges of the window...
Just my two cents!
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Don't know about any crash test ratings but I was rear ended by a drunk driver at 90-100mph while I was cruising at 45mph.
All I can say is I am alive and according to the state patrol and the fire department, the car saved my live.
I will drive an S again.
All I can say is I am alive and according to the state patrol and the fire department, the car saved my live.
I will drive an S again.
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Siepel-
Good points.
After reading the .pdf from www.hwysafety.org about head airbags, I'm convinced that they do play a significant factor. I see your point re: side airbags though.
Unfortunately, those of us who decide to buy S2ks, will have to deal w/zero head protection from the side. Also, a small cockpit w/o the ability to absorb side impact hits very well <- my side is almost touching the door in the S2k.
Regards, Mark
Good points.
After reading the .pdf from www.hwysafety.org about head airbags, I'm convinced that they do play a significant factor. I see your point re: side airbags though.
Unfortunately, those of us who decide to buy S2ks, will have to deal w/zero head protection from the side. Also, a small cockpit w/o the ability to absorb side impact hits very well <- my side is almost touching the door in the S2k.
Regards, Mark
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From: Rock Hill
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mdavis
[B]Siepel-
Good points.
After reading the .pdf from www.hwysafety.org about head airbags, I'm convinced that they do play a significant factor.
[B]Siepel-
Good points.
After reading the .pdf from www.hwysafety.org about head airbags, I'm convinced that they do play a significant factor.
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From: Pflugerville, Texas
Life is full of choices. I choose to drive the S2000 for a variety of reasons, relative safety among them but the best safety equipment is between your ears. Driver awareness, the ability to see and avoid is your best defense. Sure there are unavoidable situations but not as many as you think.
Every time I strap myself into a light plane I enjoy the relative safety of a "big sky". I have chosen however to pilot an aircraft capable of much higher speeds that has few of the safety systems found in any automobile except for my harness. I won't go into crash statistics for light singles and twins, you just avoid hitting anything.
The S2000 is not as safe as my truck even though the stook has far more safety features. I'd rather drive the S2000 or fly my airplanes anyday. Just another choice...
Every time I strap myself into a light plane I enjoy the relative safety of a "big sky". I have chosen however to pilot an aircraft capable of much higher speeds that has few of the safety systems found in any automobile except for my harness. I won't go into crash statistics for light singles and twins, you just avoid hitting anything.
The S2000 is not as safe as my truck even though the stook has far more safety features. I'd rather drive the S2000 or fly my airplanes anyday. Just another choice...
