yeh it could have been close to 67 if I looked but at 8800 or 8900 right before redline 9k I stopped looking at the speedometer 64-65 at that point since all my attention was trying to shift exactly at 9k. Maybe someone can take a pic

 

You can't believe the figure on your speedometre. They're always out by at least 1-2% from the factory. And that margin of error gets larger the faster you go. (5-10% at 150 mph).

Anyway, who cares if the 04-05 can't go 60 mph in 2nd?

 

Yeah... who actually races exactly to 60 mph then lets off?

But to answer the original question... yes I'd assume the 04+ models would be slower to 60 mph due to this.

Why doesn't someone setup an AP1 vs. AP2 0-60 mph test? Granted there will be a million other variables, it would still be interesting to see.

 

9000RPM=

 

ya...I thought it was supposed to be 67, but I also stop looking at the speed once I'm about to shift...I mean, I really don't care to look at it...and I do take it all the way thats the fun part...a lot of times I'll hit the limiter I'm pushing it so hard

 

Another reason why zero-60 is a stupid and useless measurement.

 

What about when you are pulling out into traffic?
Or merging onto a major thoroughfare with heavy traffic?
Or trying to beat the vehicle next to you to the on ramp?
Or racing the vehicle next to you to the next red light? (I never do this by the way )
Why then is the 1/4 mile an important gauge of distance? It is just an arbitrary figure agreed upon by a few people many years ago...What if they said let's race a 1/3 of a mile?
Myself, I would say that on a day to day basis, 0-60 is a more important number than the 1/4 mile. After all, top speed at the end of the 1/4 is usually 95 and up...Heavy speed ticket range. Most people are much more likely to speed quickly to a lower number, especially within city limits or on a shorter trip.
Just my .02.

 

Possibly. The lower gearing that goes with the 2.2L provides better acceleration in second, but the extra shift slows things down. The numbers I've seen for the two have been within the error band of each other.

 

These do not start from zero.

I doubt that you need to launch your car and redline every shift to accomplish this task. As for stoplight racing, well that's just dumb no matter how you look at it. The data magazines report for zero-to-sixty depend on launching the car, but how often do you do that in the real world? What about cars like the S2000, which are not designed for that kind of abuse?

I'm not saying the quarter mile is better than zero-to-sixty. I'm saying our entire north american obsession with straight line acceleration is stupid. Straight line acceleration is not a factor that carries much weight for me when selecting an automobile. I'd rather read a qualified writer's evaluation of the total driving experience than just compare zero-to-sixty numbers.