Dakota

Matt, no offense, but do get up in the morning thinking about shit like this??? Jody

NYMATT74

Nah....me and a couple of friends were talking about it last night. I let him drive my car and he taps the stick out of gear at the precise moment when coming to a stop without using the cluth. The conversation took off from there.

davisvan

you could do it in every car. i try it on a rx7, celica, civic but not my s. you have to match the rpm and speed for the transmission to open without stepping on the cluth. try going up slow on 1st gear, and push down toward second.

scottrnelson

Clutchless shifting is easier in the higher gears than going from first to second. If you've never tried it before, try it the first time going out of 2nd or 3rd gear and don't have the engine running over about 4000 rpms or so.

As an example, accelerate lightly in 3rd gear to 4000 rpms, let off the gas and just pull back into 4th. When the engine slows to the matching rpms for 4th gear, the shifter will drop right into gear if you pull it gently. Apply too much force, though, and either it won't go into gear or you'll grind. This can actually be smoother than using the clutch.

It's much more difficult going from a higher gear to a lower gear without the clutch, because you have to rev the engine up to match rpms instead of just letting off the gas.

Any volunteers to go try this and report back on the experience?

xviper

[QUOTE]Originally posted by NYMATT74
[B]Nah....me and a couple of friends were talking about it last night.

scottrnelson

Okay, I just tried about 10 clutchless shifts and it works just like I said in my previous message. Those that are courious about it should just go try a few to see how it works. As long as you're not trying it at high rpms and applying gentle pressure on the shifter, you're not going to hurt much.

I honestly believe a clutchless shift below 4000 rpms, done with gentle pressure on the shift lever causes less wear on your synchros than a quick shift using the clutch at 9000 rpms, especially 1st to 2nd.

philipf22

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Uncle Fester
[B]

You're talking serious rev matching skills to perform this manuever.

Destiny2002

Suggestion: Practice it on someone else's car.

kem

Used to shift (up and down) without a clutch all the time on a 550 street bike - no big deal.
Much less rotating mass in the engine, gears and the slop in the chain drive make it a more forgiving system. Hearing the engine is a big help too.

Opinion: Doing this in a car and you are always about a millisecond away from a very expensive day.
I paid full price for the clutch on the S2K - I'll use it.

Ludedude

Did it today just for the hell of it. Shifted just like the tranny in the Formula car I drove at Derek Daly a month ago.

It's all about getting hte revs and the rhythm right but it's easy once you get it down. Only thing is, these transmissions weren't designed for this usage, so you'll eat shift-forks. I'd rather use and replace a clutch than the guts of the tranny...but that's just me