Speeding, test pipes, and morality
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Originally Posted by Chris S,Jan 24 2007, 07:15 PM
Your attitude is part of the problem....it's all too easy for every individual or business to rationalize that their emissions are just a "drop in the bucket", but collectively they add up to a material impact.
The failure in your logic is that Honda produced a low emissions vehicle, and you illegally made it a high emissions vehicle. Sure, my motorcycle pollutes more than a typical car, but I didn't disable any emissions systems nor do I ride it on public roads.
I'm not an environmental activist by any stretch of the imagination, but the least I can do is leave OEM emissions equipment in place so as no to create totally unnecessary pollution for a couple of extra HP...IMO, cat removal is a really selfish thing to do.
The failure in your logic is that Honda produced a low emissions vehicle, and you illegally made it a high emissions vehicle. Sure, my motorcycle pollutes more than a typical car, but I didn't disable any emissions systems nor do I ride it on public roads.
I'm not an environmental activist by any stretch of the imagination, but the least I can do is leave OEM emissions equipment in place so as no to create totally unnecessary pollution for a couple of extra HP...IMO, cat removal is a really selfish thing to do.
Not only did Honda make this vehicle comply with the stringent emissions standards of the time, but they went above and beyond by making the car comply to LEV emissions standards that weren't in force in the time and still aren't. Honda has always been the leading automotive manufacturer in terms of being environmentally friendly, and their effort towards making the F20C not only fun, high revving, but also economically and emissions friendly demonstrate this.
And testpipe users want to go ahead and undo all this for a few measly hp?
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Originally Posted by afwfjustin,Jan 24 2007, 03:28 PM
And who are you to judge? Here is the how you can spot a liberal: A liberal not only imposes his or her view on you, they try to change YOU. They preach about intolerance and their PC values and always stick up for the little man but when it comes down to something that THEY think is wrong, they try to directly change YOU. They love to make fun of a non-liberal for bad choices, but typically do not want to fess up when they are wrong or are being hypocritical.
If you don't like something, don't participate in it. However, if someone is running catless at your local club meet, don't you dare say anything to them about it. It is their choice and you have no right to impose your views on anybody else, no matter what you think is right.
Such idealists
This is one thing that really bugs me about college: there are all these protests and hippie PC B.S flyers posted all around about "environment meetings" and "anti-bush rallies" and crap like that. Even the professors actively engage their liberal agenda during class. I'm so sick of it. But do I try to change them? Nope! It's their right as an American to do what they want (despite how annoying it may be), and I will never try to change someone else for their views. I wish the liberals were as considerate towards other people's opinions, however much they try to fake that they do.
Its interesting how you quoted only part of my statement so as to miscontrue its meaning. I originally stated that "By running the S2000 without a cat, you show disrespect, and disregard for all the hard work that those engineers put in, into making the car an LEV vehicle at the expense of gaining a few measly horsepower." Convenient how you cut all the rest of that out.
America is undoubtedly the land of the free (to some extent). However it doesn't allow you to do "whatever you want" as you put it. By using a testpipe you are doing guaranteed damage to the environment and to people around you. Plain and simple.
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Originally Posted by vishnus11,Jan 25 2007, 01:31 PM
You can bet your ass that I can say something about a fellow member not running a cat, because their violating the law and further polluting the environment that everyone lives in for their own gain.
Its interesting how you quoted only part of my statement so as to miscontrue its meaning. I originally stated that "By running the S2000 without a cat, you show disrespect, and disregard for all the hard work that those engineers put in, into making the car an LEV vehicle at the expense of gaining a few measly horsepower." Convenient how you cut all the rest of that out.
America is undoubtedly the land of the free (to some extent). However it doesn't allow you to do "whatever you want" as you put it. By using a testpipe you are doing guaranteed damage to the environment and to people around you. Plain and simple.
Its interesting how you quoted only part of my statement so as to miscontrue its meaning. I originally stated that "By running the S2000 without a cat, you show disrespect, and disregard for all the hard work that those engineers put in, into making the car an LEV vehicle at the expense of gaining a few measly horsepower." Convenient how you cut all the rest of that out.
America is undoubtedly the land of the free (to some extent). However it doesn't allow you to do "whatever you want" as you put it. By using a testpipe you are doing guaranteed damage to the environment and to people around you. Plain and simple.
What about the oil fires during the Pursian Gulf war. Not only did they destroy the environment, but burned up oil that is not renuable.
If someone wants to run without a cat and gain 5 hp so be it. This is their choice and I think it is a small thing when looking at the whole picture.
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Originally Posted by GOS2K007,Jan 25 2007, 04:05 PM
Other countries like China are poluting their lands to the extent that the people are starving and out of work because they cannot produce food from the land.
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Originally Posted by Boofster,Jan 25 2007, 05:15 PM
"Morality" HAHAHAHAHHA that's a good joke.
Simply owning an S2K gives you a free ride to hell with all expenses paid.
I feel dirty when I hit VTEC.
Simply owning an S2K gives you a free ride to hell with all expenses paid.
I feel dirty when I hit VTEC.
I feel dirty when I hit VTEC.
Man that is funny.
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Originally Posted by Chris S,Jan 25 2007, 05:29 PM
Ironic you should mention China as a rationalization for running a test pipe. I didn't really care much about the subject until I started visiting Asia on business. Spend some time in Shanghai, Kuala Lampur, or Taipei (just a few examples), and you'll have a greater appreciation for what the EPA has done. I used to be on the other side if anything, but visiting these polluted countries has totally changed my mindset.
Should we have signed the Kyoto Treaty in your opinion?
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Originally Posted by AGBLLET,Jan 24 2007, 09:16 PM
However, based on the limited number of s2k sports cars produced to date coupled with the small percentage of owners electing to remove the cat, any increase in the amounts of harmful exhaust gases is so insignificant that the level of impact is no doubt immeasuable.
Nobody's perfect, but increasing your environmental footprint on purpose seems stupid to me.
these excuses all sound like: There was a guy down and I spit on him, but it's ok because I wasn't the one kicking him.
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Originally Posted by bloodzombie,Jan 25 2007, 07:00 PM
it's a ghetto mod that adds a couple of horsepower in exchange for nasty emissions.
Your claim might be true for a bolt on mod S2000 or even Civic, however my turbo S2000 that has basically become a track car boosting 14psi gains big horsepower without a cat.
Don't make assumptions that everyone that does this has the same result or does it for the same reasons. Not all of us daily drive our cars or run around catless without forced induction making a "couple of horsepower" knowingly destroying our planet.