I'm very flattered that my headlights are garnering almost as much interest as Jennifer Love-Hewitt's butt. (I never know where to put the hyphens).

Tim has sent me several pms and I have replied to each. I'm still reluctant to get involved in a conference call and I likely won't. Honda has agreed to fix my car and they are aware of the Ston Gard issue so in that respect my conscience is clean. I'm glad that my car will be repaired with no expense to me but otherwise I'm not happy with the way it turned out.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jeff
[B]
There just isn't any evidence presented here to place responsibility on Ston Gard.

 

Sorry, Jeff. All that punctuation makes me crazy.

What was that about your brother's cousin saying that Honda doesn't test any third party materials used in the car? Talk about lack of evidence.

 

BTW, you asked for my evidence. Since my position is only that Stongard acted stupidly, my evidence is at start of this thread.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sondra S2K
[B]Tanqueray, I have a real problem with what you've said here, and I don't appreciate that you make assumptions without actually READING what I've said.

What I've said, and I'll say it again, is that from what I've seen, this is a singular instance and there appears to be something else involved, an unknown, that factored into what happened to SCS2K's lights.

 

I stand by my first assessment, as you pointed out from the other thread, that screaming and shouting makes me doubtful, not a believer. As an educated person, I don't much care for and am not swayed by people or ads that try to make a point by trying to drive the point into my head like a railroad spike. In fact, there were several auto dealerships in Florida that liked to advertise on the radio using ads that had a guy dramatically shouting something about "$99 down, $299 a month", something like that, and I refused to ever do business with that dealership because of their advertising tactics.

To start a thread with an accusation such as "StonGard ruined my lights!", just to open the thread and find no solid proof of it, just a guy who is really mad (reasonably so) that his lights are broken and looking to soil a reputation? I will agree that StonGard handled the situation badly, but if that's what he's really mad about, that's the angle that should have been taken.

Tanq, I've been to Orlando when it's been 110 degrees outside. If that isn't comparable to 110 in Arizona, then we're using different thermometers!

 

Sondra,

I was angry but I was not trying to soil a reputation. I was attempting to warn others of this product and it's consequenses. When I see a fire, I don't calmly walk to up to others and say "Excuse me sir or madame, there appears to be some combustion going on over there. I will attempt to acquire some direct evidence." I yell "fire!"

In my opinion, this product or its installation caused extensive damage to my vehicle and I didn't want others to have it happen to them.

After all, if it required direct evidence before anyone would believe any information, we'd all be two pack a day smokers with no worries about lung cancer or emphysema. Luckily, someone shouted something earlier.

No, I'm not trying to liken what has happened to my car to cancer or emphysema or the suffering and illness that smoking can cause, nor am I comparing Ston Gard to the tobacco companies, but the analogy holds.

[Edited by SCS2k on 05-25-2001 at 06:31 PM]

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sunchild
[B]Sorry, Jeff.

 

What exactly IS the evidence? That's something that has been almost completely in absentia during this whole ridiculous mess.

And to those of you who said I ripped on Honda for not doing something about this...PLEASE GIVE ME THE EVIDENCE WHERE I SAID THAT. You will not be able to do so...because I HAVE NOT DONE THAT. 2X6SPDS, you are trying to mischaracterize ANYTHING I say because, despite what you said in your email to me, you DO hold personal animosity towards me. It's clearly evident in your posts and your email. You insult me and call me names here and that's OK, it just makes you look foolish and it's water off a duck's back for me. But at least be honest, you are not being so and that is clear for all to see...

Additionally, the StonGard representation at S2KDays was not corporate, it was StonGard of Georgia, a distributor...David is deeply troubled by this whole mess. I don't envy him as his very business is jeopardized by people saying all these things about the company that his company is based on with nothing more than circumstantial evidence at BEST. With all the other accounts of this "crazing" happening to other cars, Integras and Audi's etc...it's quite possible this was something that would have occurred with or without the StonGard treatment. End of topic...further evidenced by Honda's willingness to right this wrong. (Yea Honda!) If there is proof, as in scientifically tested proof, then some of this would be justified. But all of this happened with so little evidence, so wonder OJ is a free man...if this is the level of critical thinking that some Americans have and which was displayed in this thread, then we are in deep doodoo. Get ALL the facts, make a decision based on those facts...that's how it used to work. Facts were and are sorely missing from this whole thing...sad, indeed. Getting ALL THE FACTS, was all I EVER advocated.

Doc, what happened was terribly unfortunate...I am very proud of Honda stepping up to the plate to fix your lights. It also says that by doing so that they have some kind of known problem with this happening or else they wouldn't have done so so easily...

I'm through with this thread...don't expect anything further from me. It was a shameful display of too many people jumping to too many conclusions and hanging a company for something they may or may not be liable for. The SG CEO could and SHOULD have done something more appropriate and I hope he learns a valuable lesson in how to treat customers (take a tip from Honda, Mr. CEO)...that's what you should have done in the first place.

This has gone on far too long...I'm outta here.

[Edited by gregstevens on 05-25-2001 at 01:44 PM]

 

Anyone else notice a pattern?