does anyone know which are the best tie/toe rods for our car? I DID A SEARCH and its just this guy looking for Rod Stewart..not much help there..

i just wanted some input to help aid in my search.

 

And whose fricken fault was that? Shall I post up the thread and show everyone what happened? The guy gave absolutely NO details as to what exactly he was looking for.

 

i saw that thread, but i am actually specific in what i am looking for
haha it was comedy though.

i know theres a few companies out there, but what does everyone recommend?

 

In actual fact, I've not seen any threads dealing with tie rods. These are pretty simple affairs and the OEM parts work really well. An aftermarket product may only be more reasonably priced. I don't see how they would work any better. Maybe that's why you don't see this discussed much.

 

Aftermarket Toe and Tie Rod Ends arent comparable to the stock ones..as the stock ones do not provide much in the way of adjustability of aggressive setups..

If the car had some sort of suspension (i.e. coilovers) and was aggressively lowered, the suspension geometry would be severely affected by the change in ride height, and replacing the worn stock parts with new stock parts wouldnt solve the problem, rather...just provide new parts to break..

I am going to upgrade my current suspension setup (Tanabe GF210s with stock shocks) to a track dedicated setup with coilovers and the whole shabang.

With the drastic change in suspension geometry, camber, toe and all that other good stuff will be thrown out of whack, AND with the stock suspension components, there is no way of actually correctly aligning the car.

Toe and Tie Rod ends enable the adjustment of toe in, toe out, bumpsteer..etc

But im also looking for other components such as upper control arms and solid bushings for the upper/lower arms for the front and rear.

Also, i started a thread looking for input on fender braces, as those supposedly improve turn in during cornering.

The only parts i have found thus far is at morejapan.com:
http://www.more-japan.com/home.php?cat=899

friends of mine have had good experiences ordering from them in the past, and im willing to shell out the hard-earned cash. any experiences with the Nagisa Auto parts?

 

Hmm. You can put all the expensive suspension on there you want but, unless you lower the car down from stock it's not going to change the geometry a lick. I'm not planning on lowering mine (can barely get the jack under it now) even though I'm getting a suspension so, replacing the stock stuff with "better" parts is pointless.

So, tell me at what ride height is a different tie rod needed? When do you have to add a spacer to the steering rack to reduce bump steer when lowering? What do real world racers use on the track?

I will suggest that the reason these aren't commonly available is because there's not much call for them.

The parts you pointed out are very pretty. I'd want to know I NEED them before forking out the money though. Lots of people track S2000's and I'm just not hearing any complaints about the stock suspension strength.


This

http://www.more-japan.com/product.php?prod...&cat=899&page=1

Looks alot like the BSK kit.

 

Sorry to bump myself.
Man, I didn't realize you were shilling for this company. I see you did it in another post too.

I should have noticed since your wording closely matches the company's ads.

 

Is that right? Too many people believing stuff that product manufacturers try to tell you that you absolutely MUST have and the exagerated reasons why it's a must.

 

I guess its all a matter of adjustability.

Sure. not lowering the car at all wont change anything in the way of geometry, much less call for these crazy parts, but the things you would not be able to achieve are some of the major points of aggressive alignments:
-Without the Tie Rods and Toe Rods, toe-in and toe-out could not be achieved.
-Without The Control Arms, agressive camber cannot be set. Caster is somewhat adjustable too.
-With the Bushings, deflection is minimized, steering angle is improved and so forth. Daily driving is compromised due to the increase in discomfort, but its not going to be my daily driver anymore..

You also get other goodies with the parts, like spherical ball joints and increased strength. With the increased strength comes less flex, less movement, well... less deflection in general.

It really all depends on how hardcore youre willing to go. Sure, with a stock suspension and stock alignment, theres no need for these if youre not going to aggresively align and drive it, but thats not the case in my situation. I wanted the best possible combination for the track.

So... a certain ride height isnt the gauging point in which you decide to buy these products. And if you didnt realize it yet..NOTHING, and i mean NOTHING aftermarket is necessary. We dont need performance tires to drive, We dont need aftermarket suspension to turn, and We dont need bucket seats to sit in our cars. We buy these things so we can drive *better*.

Its all for the improvement of performance or aesthetics of the car.

 

I like the looks of what you're selling. The prices though are just through the roof for parts I MIGHT need. To sell to me, you need to tell me specifically why I need your product. Being cool isn't enough for me to part with my money.

Does your toe rod reduce bump steer? I know that's what the BSK one does because it says so right on their site. Yours, I can't tell.

When do I need added strength? What parts of the stock suspension are prone to breakage?