Time for the S2000 to be retired?
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Originally Posted by Ckcrigger,Dec 6 2004, 08:42 PM
Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?
And where are you getting your ironclad information that this information "is wrong and false?"
But thanks for playing, come again soon.
You're using your opinion as fact.
I was just hypothesizing and posing the question:
"Can a car manufacturer continue making a car that sells under 5000 units per year?"
Because the 2004 refresh didn't increase sales and the way that it's declining, it MAY be under 5000 in two years. And they decided not to refresh the NSX. And they closed the plant that only made S2000 and NSX because of financial concerns.
I don't know what Honda will do. You don't know what Honda will do.
Once again with the snotty comments that you supposedly decry.
My reasoning has nothing to do with the rate of decline.
Once again it was: How few units per year becomes cost prohibitive (for Honda)? Obviously that depends on how much marginal profit per car.
They have gotten by selling only a few NSX per year for the last 5 years, but they killed the Prelude when it got around 7000 per year. They killed the CRX and DelSol, right? That would support that it's not decline per year.... which I can't imagine would matter as much as the total profit.
So my reasoning was that:
1. There is a point where it costs too much to keep manufacturing a car.
2. Where do you think that point is? Between the Prelude and NSX, probably. Closer to the Prelude because of less profit per unit.
The one key point that you didn't address in the simple theory of declining sales.... is that the Prelude went through multiple redesigns to keep it's sales from dropping at a faster rate. It's concerning that the 2004 refresh did not much to decrease the drop.
Where is the fault in that reasoning?
And where are you getting your ironclad information that this information "is wrong and false?"
But thanks for playing, come again soon.
You're using your opinion as fact.
I was just hypothesizing and posing the question:
"Can a car manufacturer continue making a car that sells under 5000 units per year?"
Because the 2004 refresh didn't increase sales and the way that it's declining, it MAY be under 5000 in two years. And they decided not to refresh the NSX. And they closed the plant that only made S2000 and NSX because of financial concerns.
I don't know what Honda will do. You don't know what Honda will do.
Once again with the snotty comments that you supposedly decry.
My reasoning has nothing to do with the rate of decline.
Once again it was: How few units per year becomes cost prohibitive (for Honda)? Obviously that depends on how much marginal profit per car.
They have gotten by selling only a few NSX per year for the last 5 years, but they killed the Prelude when it got around 7000 per year. They killed the CRX and DelSol, right? That would support that it's not decline per year.... which I can't imagine would matter as much as the total profit.
So my reasoning was that:
1. There is a point where it costs too much to keep manufacturing a car.
2. Where do you think that point is? Between the Prelude and NSX, probably. Closer to the Prelude because of less profit per unit.
The one key point that you didn't address in the simple theory of declining sales.... is that the Prelude went through multiple redesigns to keep it's sales from dropping at a faster rate. It's concerning that the 2004 refresh did not much to decrease the drop.
Where is the fault in that reasoning?
the first year out, the s2000 was 7000u. Get over your 7000u threshold. Thats not some magic number. The s2000 wasn't planned to go over that limit in the first place.
The prelude dropped dramatically....my whole point WAS THE DECLINING SALES OF THE PRELUDE WERE MUCH WORSE THAN THE DECLINING SALES OF THE S2000!
the prelude had declining sales in 13 out of 18 years. It was not the iconic car for the company and was expected to sell 30k+u/yr
the s2000 has had 2 declining sale years out of 4, and has still sold more than its first year out. The 04 refreshing was hardly a remake akin to a prelude rebuild.
those are the faults in using prelude selling to forecast the s2000's impending death
i wont even touch the fact youre ignoring economies of scale, as the other 2 are speaking of it.....or the iconic image benefit of the s2000 to honda
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Originally Posted by ksdaoski,Dec 6 2004, 11:29 PM
those are the faults in using prelude selling to forecast the s2000's impending death
i wont even touch the fact youre ignoring economies of scale, as the other 2 are speaking of it.....or the iconic image benefit of the s2000 to honda
i wont even touch the fact youre ignoring economies of scale, as the other 2 are speaking of it.....or the iconic image benefit of the s2000 to honda
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Originally Posted by krayzyazn,Dec 6 2004, 08:53 PM
That's why you don't run a multi-billion dollar car company. Manufacturers build their flag ship cars not to make money (directly) but to improve the company's image. Think viper, GT40..
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Originally Posted by circa86,Dec 7 2004, 03:10 PM
no! you are an idiot for say it should be retired.
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Originally Posted by krayzyazn,Dec 6 2004, 08:53 PM
That's why you don't run a multi-billion dollar car company. Manufacturers build their flag ship cars not to make money (directly) but to improve the company's image. Think viper, GT40..
The 2.0L 240 hp 9k rpm redline, was purely bragging right!
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I didn't read in any of the posts that economy and gas prices may have had a hand in deciding market choices. Despite the next-to-nothing interest rates from domestic companies, SUV sales still have lagged.