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Old Oct 20, 2011 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by NFRAP2
Originally Posted by JLUDE' timestamp='1319123772' post='21086629
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PS. Get a motorcycle. Go race that. After racing a motorcycle everything in a car is much easier. Throttle control, smoothness, radial braking, following, knowing and picking your line.
I had to comment on this for the OP's benefit...

You should gain some good driving skills in a car before you start racing a street bike. The car racing techniques you will master in a few years (throttle control, trail braking, gear selection, rev matching, etc.) are all CRITICAL for motorcyclists to master. It's much easier coming into motorcycles after you have mastered the basics of pushing something on 4 wheels near its limits.
+1. Fortunately it sounds like his parents won't let him get a bike at this point anyway. A bike is not nearly as forgiving of mistakes as a car is. On a bike, the slightest error in throttle or brake input while turning, or failing to avoid road hazards such as gravel or oil will end in an accident that may very well total your bike and result in serious injury or death to yourself. Even the greatest rider can't avoid accidents 100% of the time, the biggest hazard of all is other vehicles and all you can do is try your best to anticipate what they will do and stay out of their way.
Don't get me wrong, I love bikes... but I'm glad I didn't have one when I was a teenager because I would probably be crippled or dead.
To the OP, I say keep the Si for many of the reasons that have already been mentioned and look at buying an s2k or something similar down the road when you are out of college with a steady job. I would have killed for a car like the Si when I was a teenager... my first car was a 1988 Corolla (FWD) with over 200k miles and 90hp with an auto transmission. Count your blessings for having such a nice car at your age and enjoy it!
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Notice I said RACE. Implying that a race track would be involved, not the street. Gravel and oil aren't found in abundance at the track. As far as skills go and learning them they come at the same pace on a bike because you ride at your limit, which is not THE limit.
I'm currently racing supermoto. Kids from 4 or 5 years of age and up are out on the same track I am. They seem to make it around the track pretty well. What wouldn't work for either of you at 17 might well work for the OP. Its an option, as I see it, the more the merrier.
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Old Oct 20, 2011 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JLUDE
Originally Posted by tbp5022' timestamp='1319131787' post='21087069
Personally I would keep the SI. Mainly because I'm 19 years old and in college and would never bring my s2000 to school. However, I disagree with people claiming the s2000 is too big a jump for you at 17 years old. Not only was the s2000 my first rear wheel drive vehicle, it was also my first manual transmission and I have never had any issues. It's always the driver not the car. Respect the car and it will treat you well.
There are always exceptions but the GRAND majority of 17 year olds are not experienced, patient, mature or self-controlled enough to safely handle a car like the S2000...this is FACT.
Yep, pretty much every insurance company in the world agrees.
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Old Oct 20, 2011 | 12:44 PM
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Muffin man- your completely right, sometimes u need ppl to tell u stuff like that, thanks haha

I will not be out of college with a steady job for another 13~ years as long as everything works out, I will be going to UF for undergrad then probably UM for med school then I'm going to specialize and either become a dermatologist or a vascular surgeon idk yet. But, theft won't be nearly as big of a deal in grad school because ill be living in my own apartment or maybe even house.

My dad is slowly opening up to mods but now im limited to like shift knob etc..

I can afford the S, I'm just not sure it would be the best idea financially as I will have less $ in my bank later down the road. I don't have a full time job as I have no time whatsoever (all AP classes), but it will pay off with scholarship to college.

I'm not a stupid driver at all. I don't speed and I've never gotten a ticket. I love driving fast on curvy roads.. but I have my places. And I'm always safe and away from any other people. I have no doubts about handling the S, I have experience driving a lot more powerful rwd cars anyways, just not the oversteering of the S.

I'd love to try racing bikes.. but its just not a thing that would work for me right now.

As for getting a miata, I'm actually picking up an old 2K miata with my cousin and a friend, so we can split the money. We'll gut it, make an intake, straight pipe it, get new shocks and tires and autox it. Roll cage too if $ permits as it will only be for autox im not planning on rolling it lol.
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Old Oct 20, 2011 | 12:45 PM
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Oh BTW.. thanks for setting me straight again guys!!! I thought of this same trade thing a few months back and I decided it wasnt a smart decision, but idk why it came up again.
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Old Oct 20, 2011 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMuffinMan
Originally Posted by JLUDE' timestamp='1319141238' post='21087552
[quote name='tbp5022' timestamp='1319131787' post='21087069']
Personally I would keep the SI. Mainly because I'm 19 years old and in college and would never bring my s2000 to school. However, I disagree with people claiming the s2000 is too big a jump for you at 17 years old. Not only was the s2000 my first rear wheel drive vehicle, it was also my first manual transmission and I have never had any issues. It's always the driver not the car. Respect the car and it will treat you well.
There are always exceptions but the GRAND majority of 17 year olds are not experienced, patient, mature or self-controlled enough to safely handle a car like the S2000...this is FACT.
Yep, pretty much every insurance company in the world agrees.
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True, I wouldn't consider myself an exception to this sentiment either but I feel that I am quite capable of handling the car. Obviously it is hard to judge the OP personal situation because I can't speak for him but clearly he has a level head on his shoulder if has made it this far. Either way, in his situation I would keep the SI, both financially and for his situation it seems to be the better choice.

Also, my insurance is cheaper now then it was on an Acura RSX Base Automatic, clearly my insurance company disagrees
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Old Oct 20, 2011 | 01:28 PM
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I had a 350 olds in a 49 Ford hotrod when I was 17. Maybe not recommended for all teens but certainly OK for many. We all have to learn sometime. The negatives- pretty much uninsurable at anything close to reasonable and dodging the cops on a daily basis.
Overcome the insurance problems,stay on the right side of the law and own anything you like. Drive responsibly.
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Old Oct 20, 2011 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by g0g3tt4
Originally Posted by NFRAP2' timestamp='1319126328' post='21086761
[quote name='JLUDE' timestamp='1319123772' post='21086629']
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PS. Get a motorcycle. Go race that. After racing a motorcycle everything in a car is much easier. Throttle control, smoothness, radial braking, following, knowing and picking your line.
I had to comment on this for the OP's benefit...

You should gain some good driving skills in a car before you start racing a street bike. The car racing techniques you will master in a few years (throttle control, trail braking, gear selection, rev matching, etc.) are all CRITICAL for motorcyclists to master. It's much easier coming into motorcycles after you have mastered the basics of pushing something on 4 wheels near its limits.
+1. Fortunately it sounds like his parents won't let him get a bike at this point anyway. A bike is not nearly as forgiving of mistakes as a car is. On a bike, the slightest error in throttle or brake input while turning, or failing to avoid road hazards such as gravel or oil will end in an accident that may very well total your bike and result in serious injury or death to yourself. Even the greatest rider can't avoid accidents 100% of the time, the biggest hazard of all is other vehicles and all you can do is try your best to anticipate what they will do and stay out of their way.
Don't get me wrong, I love bikes... but I'm glad I didn't have one when I was a teenager because I would probably be crippled or dead.
To the OP, I say keep the Si for many of the reasons that have already been mentioned and look at buying an s2k or something similar down the road when you are out of college with a steady job. I would have killed for a car like the Si when I was a teenager... my first car was a 1988 Corolla (FWD) with over 200k miles and 90hp with an auto transmission. Count your blessings for having such a nice car at your age and enjoy it!
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Notice I said RACE. Implying that a race track would be involved, not the street. Gravel and oil aren't found in abundance at the track. As far as skills go and learning them they come at the same pace on a bike because you ride at your limit, which is not THE limit.
I'm currently racing supermoto. Kids from 4 or 5 years of age and up are out on the same track I am. They seem to make it around the track pretty well. What wouldn't work for either of you at 17 might well work for the OP. Its an option, as I see it, the more the merrier.
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I'm sure we can go back and forth on this forever... the supersport bikes that adults generally race on a track are a whole different ball-game than what the 4 and 5 year olds are racing. Not to mention that I SERIOUSLY doubt the OP will buy a bike and then never take it anywhere but the track. The consequences of a mistake on a bike are much more serious than a car, that is something a lot of people take for granted (and why you see so many idiots riding around without proper gear) Obviously he is free to make his own decisions, but going from driving a few thousand miles on a Civic to racing a bike on a track is a steep learning curve for anybody, it isn't just a matter of maturity and that isn't what I was implying. It's all moot anyway because he has clearly stated that a bike is not an option right now.
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Old Oct 20, 2011 | 05:50 PM
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I can honestly say out of all my friends, I'm the best driver, and I can also say I'm the most responsible. I've never hit anything in my life or gotten a ticket, I was pulled over once and given a warning. I was out of town picking up dinner for my parents and I needed to get into the right lane to turn, I didnt really know where I was going and I look to my left and he was in the median. But he was nice, I actually really like a lot of cops, its just the ones who take their job as a way to use their authority instead of benefiting the community as a whole. So, the thought of crashing never crossed my mind and it never will as I'm not stupid and I know a cars limits pretty well (not being stubborn and taking it up there because i think i know where they are though). I've decided to save the money for track day expenses. Also, my dad MIGHT pick up a miata and autox it. His best friend is a huge autoxer (I mean porsche GT3 RS Cup Car fully set up) and he told him to get a miata so him and I could autox something that wasnt worth much and learn how to drive.
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Old Oct 20, 2011 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Pumi22
Muffin man- your completely right, sometimes u need ppl to tell u stuff like that, thanks haha

I will not be out of college with a steady job for another 13~ years as long as everything works out, I will be going to UF for undergrad then probably UM for med school then I'm going to specialize and either become a dermatologist or a vascular surgeon idk yet. But, theft won't be nearly as big of a deal in grad school because ill be living in my own apartment or maybe even house.

My dad is slowly opening up to mods but now im limited to like shift knob etc..
Not trying to rain on your parade or anything, trust me it would be awesome to have an S2000 at your age.

I can tell you with some experience, you would regret having a 'nice' car in college. The first door ding or scratch will piss you off to no end - trust me, been there done that. I also however had bought my own car and was paying for insurance, etc throughout that time period and it was a very stressful time. You genuinely are better off with what you have while you're in college.

Keep it safe and take good care of it. Get yourself an S2000 as a graduation present for yourself - it's what I did and made it that much better
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Old Oct 20, 2011 | 06:37 PM
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When i was 21 I had a Honda Prelude when my dad bought an s2000. I loved the car but after taking it out on my own I realized it was way too much car for me.

Now I'm 24 and bought an 07 with 8k miles on it. 4 months after I bought the S I bought a pick up to daily drive.

Listen to everyone on here...keep the Si for now. Get an S later.
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