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Old Sep 26, 2012 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TVPincDoc
Originally Posted by TougeS2k' timestamp='1348504008' post='22034168
true, but the 9k rev (which i almost never use ) is cooler
Yeah, what's the fun of a "high rev'ing" engine that redlines at only 8.2k? Even my M3 redlines higher.
ok an e92 gets to 8400rpms whats the fun of only redlining at only 8.4k? my ap1 redlines higher, dont matter if i got less power than a m3
Old Sep 27, 2012 | 11:25 PM
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thanks guys
Old Sep 30, 2012 | 05:29 PM
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AP1 >> 190-200whp / 135 ft/tq

AP2 >> 200-210whp / 145 ft/tq
Old Oct 6, 2012 | 05:17 AM
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It really all depends on the dyno used and the conditions.

My F20C made 191 on a mustang dyno last year, bone stock. That would likely be >200 on a jet.

Still, yes, all else equal the F22C does tend to make more power at peak. Still, no one has proven that any one engine actually performs any better or worse in the real world.
Old Oct 6, 2012 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by steven975
It really all depends on the dyno used and the conditions.

My F20C made 191 on a mustang dyno last year, bone stock. That would likely be >200 on a jet.

Still, yes, all else equal the F22C does tend to make more power at peak. Still, no one has proven that any one engine actually performs any better or worse in the real world.
Not just at peak but all through the rev range.
Old Oct 6, 2012 | 01:19 PM
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True, displacement tends to do that, all else equal. Still, no one has proven that any one engine actually performs any better or worse in the real world.
Old Oct 7, 2012 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Saki GT
Do you people sit in parking lots and rev your engines all day?




OP - the engines make near abouts the same power and Honda only ever released on HP number - 240 in the USA (250 in Japan with higher compression), later revised by the new standards to 237, although dynos show a slight power bump every two years or so in the engine due to tweaks, ECU refinements, etc.

Originally Posted by Neon001
Originally Posted by Saki GT' timestamp='1348508899' post='22034465
Do you people sit in parking lots and rev your engines all day?

Could not be more appropriate. I'm thinking of the "why don't you just make 10 louder, make 10 be the top number, and make that a little louder?" Maybe Honda recognized the wisdom in this when developing the AP2?

Originally Posted by Mezza' timestamp='1348662875' post='22038844
Originally Posted by Neon001
[quote name='Saki GT' timestamp='1348508899' post='22034465']
Do you people sit in parking lots and rev your engines all day?

Could not be more appropriate. I'm thinking of the "why don't you just make 10 louder, make 10 be the top number, and make that a little louder?" Maybe Honda recognized the wisdom in this when developing the AP2?
I think all they recognized was the American thirst for torque
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its obvious it ends at 11 because it starts with 0 so there for 11 = 10
Old Oct 7, 2012 | 05:39 PM
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^Wouldn't that mean 11 = 12?







Just saying....
Old Oct 7, 2012 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by steven975
True, displacement tends to do that, all else equal. Still, no one has proven that any one engine actually performs any better or worse in the real world.
Right, because that's an impossible thing to do. To prove that, one has to dyno all S2K engines ever produced under the same conditions. So the fact that no one has proven something impossible is a moot point.

The more feasible thing to do is to find a stock AP1 more powerful than a stock AP2 somewhere. And even that has little point. The statistical fact is that an average AP2 puts down more power than the average AP1. That's it.
Old Oct 7, 2012 | 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by hicabi
Originally Posted by steven975' timestamp='1349558387' post='22063892
True, displacement tends to do that, all else equal. Still, no one has proven that any one engine actually performs any better or worse in the real world.
Right, because that's an impossible thing to do. To prove that, one has to dyno all S2K engines ever produced under the same conditions. So the fact that no one has proven something impossible is a moot point.

The more feasible thing to do is to find a stock AP1 more powerful than a stock AP2 somewhere. And even that has little point. The statistical fact is that an average AP2 puts down more power than the average AP1. That's it.
AP1 vs AP2 has been done on the track and they're head to head. No difference.



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