Voodoo knob is awesome!
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From: Cape Girardeau
I think that's exactly what I was saying StwoK.
To me, to actually shorten the shift itself 1/2 inch, you'd have to shorten the distance the shift lever travels to get to the gear on the bottom end...not how far your arm travels to get it to the next gear. I think it's plain to see that when your shift action from front to back is shorter then the shift will be faster ('cause it's shorter by 1/2 inch), but it didn't actually shorten the shift distance at the bottom end...it remained the same. The same effect you get with the Voodoo knob can be gotten by shifting the stock set-up with the lever (under the knob) instead of a "hand over knob" shift.
In my opinion, short shifters should actually shorten the distance the bottom of the shift lever travels, in turn this will shorten the throw (unless you make a longer shift lever to compensate) and make the shift have less effort and again in turn speed up the time it takes to get into the gear.
Am I smokin' crack here? Who has a real short-shift kit and what the hell does it really do?
To me, to actually shorten the shift itself 1/2 inch, you'd have to shorten the distance the shift lever travels to get to the gear on the bottom end...not how far your arm travels to get it to the next gear. I think it's plain to see that when your shift action from front to back is shorter then the shift will be faster ('cause it's shorter by 1/2 inch), but it didn't actually shorten the shift distance at the bottom end...it remained the same. The same effect you get with the Voodoo knob can be gotten by shifting the stock set-up with the lever (under the knob) instead of a "hand over knob" shift.
In my opinion, short shifters should actually shorten the distance the bottom of the shift lever travels, in turn this will shorten the throw (unless you make a longer shift lever to compensate) and make the shift have less effort and again in turn speed up the time it takes to get into the gear.
Am I smokin' crack here? Who has a real short-shift kit and what the hell does it really do?
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From: Cape Girardeau
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Utah S2K
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You are correct......the bottom moves the same amount as the fulcrum point is not changed. The difference is in the knob end. The Voodoo sits lower on the shaft. Thus at full stroke the knob moves less. You can measure this (as I did) by checking the distance to the radio door before and after install. To your point if the upper lever were 6" longer the throw length would be increased and thus the amount of time to move the top of the lever, full stroke,
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You are correct......the bottom moves the same amount as the fulcrum point is not changed. The difference is in the knob end. The Voodoo sits lower on the shaft. Thus at full stroke the knob moves less. You can measure this (as I did) by checking the distance to the radio door before and after install. To your point if the upper lever were 6" longer the throw length would be increased and thus the amount of time to move the top of the lever, full stroke,
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From: Dunedin
S2kguy said "Funny thing is, I still feel the shift front to back could be shorter, the knob smaller and countersunk another 1/4 to 1/2", the shift and basic feel could be smoother/lighter (less resistance from the synchro's), and last but not least...less noisy."
Other than the lack of low end torque, which I knew about before buying, this is the only major issue I have with the S.
The shifting is not a smooth as the Civic Si or the MR2.
Other than the lack of low end torque, which I knew about before buying, this is the only major issue I have with the S.
The shifting is not a smooth as the Civic Si or the MR2.
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From: Findlay
Originally posted by S2Kguy
PS I'm no entrepreneur so I think I'll leave the designing to other peeps
PS I'm no entrepreneur so I think I'll leave the designing to other peeps
When you speak of a short-shift kit, I think about companies like Hurst, B&M, and Neuspeed making them. They are usually made of billet aluminum or billet stainless steel more precisely made than most factory shifters and as you said " just shorten the lever itself". Some company's claim a 50% shorter throw. I have not seen any offerings from the above companies for our car yet. So for right now all we have is counter sunk shift knobs.
I'll probably get flamed here ....... One thing that I've found that really helps shifting is changing the tranny fluid to a synthetic transmission oil. I'm using RedLine's MT 90.
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From: Cape Girardeau
Originally posted by StwoK Some company's claim a 50% shorter throw. I have not seen any offerings from the above companies for our car yet. So for right now all we have is counter sunk shift knobs.
Actually, in the back of the Hyper Rev mag on page 195 there is something made by Distinto Bellezza and it looks like just a shorter lever "shift kit". I've wanted it since the day I got the mag, but I have no idea how to order it, or exactly what it is since I don't read Japanese.
I'll probably get flamed here ....... One thing that I've found that really helps shifting is changing the tranny fluid to a synthetic transmission oil. I'm using RedLine's MT 90.
I've always heard good things about Redline, and I almost went to them, but several posts on this very board scared me away. I did change the lube in the tranny and diff at 10K miles, but it was stock recommendation lube. I have 19,700 on the clock now.
Andrew
Actually, in the back of the Hyper Rev mag on page 195 there is something made by Distinto Bellezza and it looks like just a shorter lever "shift kit". I've wanted it since the day I got the mag, but I have no idea how to order it, or exactly what it is since I don't read Japanese
. I'll probably get flamed here ....... One thing that I've found that really helps shifting is changing the tranny fluid to a synthetic transmission oil. I'm using RedLine's MT 90.
I've always heard good things about Redline, and I almost went to them, but several posts on this very board scared me away. I did change the lube in the tranny and diff at 10K miles, but it was stock recommendation lube. I have 19,700 on the clock now.
Andrew
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Utah S2K
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You are correct......the bottom moves the same amount as the fulcrum point is not changed. The difference is in the knob end. The Voodoo sits lower on the shaft. Thus at full stroke the knob moves less. You can measure this (as I did) by checking the distance to the radio door before and after install. To your point if the upper lever were 6" longer the throw length would be increased and thus the amount of time to move the top of the lever, full stroke,
[B]
You are correct......the bottom moves the same amount as the fulcrum point is not changed. The difference is in the knob end. The Voodoo sits lower on the shaft. Thus at full stroke the knob moves less. You can measure this (as I did) by checking the distance to the radio door before and after install. To your point if the upper lever were 6" longer the throw length would be increased and thus the amount of time to move the top of the lever, full stroke,