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[QUOTE=530s2k,Nov 2 2006, 09:39 PM]I think for me VSA is a little disappointing because it goes against the nature of the beast.
00-01 - The car is one of the purest forms of sports cars available.
00-01 - The car is one of the purest forms of sports cars available.
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Right. And eventually they'll take the driver out of the equation because they make mistakes.
Air bags don't control how the car drives. This is passive.
Seat belt pretentioners don't control how the car drives. This is passive.
Crumple zones don't control how the car drives. This is passive.
ABS controls how the car STOPS. This is active.
VSA controls how the car starts, corners and stops. Kind've like... A driver? This is active.
If you wanted a safe car, you wouldn't buy an S2000. You'd buy a Mercedes or a Volvo or a BMW. They've got pre-braking, pre-slipping, pre-driving control. You get in and it whisks you away to where you're going in total safety, luxury, and control.
Air bags don't control how the car drives. This is passive.
Seat belt pretentioners don't control how the car drives. This is passive.
Crumple zones don't control how the car drives. This is passive.
ABS controls how the car STOPS. This is active.
VSA controls how the car starts, corners and stops. Kind've like... A driver? This is active.
If you wanted a safe car, you wouldn't buy an S2000. You'd buy a Mercedes or a Volvo or a BMW. They've got pre-braking, pre-slipping, pre-driving control. You get in and it whisks you away to where you're going in total safety, luxury, and control.
i love it 
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Originally Posted by 530s2k,Nov 2 2006, 09:55 AM
Right. And eventually they'll take the driver out of the equation because they make mistakes.
Air bags don't control how the car drives. This is passive.
Seat belt pretentioners don't control how the car drives. This is passive.
Crumple zones don't control how the car drives. This is passive.
ABS controls how the car STOPS. This is active.
VSA controls how the car starts, corners and stops. Kind've like... A driver? This is active.
If you wanted a safe car, you wouldn't buy an S2000. You'd buy a Mercedes or a Volvo or a BMW. They've got pre-braking, pre-slipping, pre-driving control. You get in and it whisks you away to where you're going in total safety, luxury, and control.
Air bags don't control how the car drives. This is passive.
Seat belt pretentioners don't control how the car drives. This is passive.
Crumple zones don't control how the car drives. This is passive.
ABS controls how the car STOPS. This is active.
VSA controls how the car starts, corners and stops. Kind've like... A driver? This is active.
If you wanted a safe car, you wouldn't buy an S2000. You'd buy a Mercedes or a Volvo or a BMW. They've got pre-braking, pre-slipping, pre-driving control. You get in and it whisks you away to where you're going in total safety, luxury, and control.
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Originally Posted by 530s2k,Nov 2 2006, 09:39 AM
I think for me VSA is a little disappointing because it goes against the nature of the beast.
00-01 - The car is one of the purest forms of sports cars available. It will bite your head off if you don't respect it. It's just like a sportbike, it'll do exactly what you ask it to, but inexperience leads people to ask above their ability.
02-03 - Suspension gets tweaked (swaybars,etc), the car is a little softer.
04-05 - Engine changed to produce lower revving, and more midrange torque; easier power to use, i'd say. You don't have to work quite as hard to keep the car in it's sweet spot. Suspension tweaked again.
06 - DBW, VSA, etc introduced. VSA isn't going to make you faster around a track, it's going to keep you from asking the car for something and not being able to handle what happens.
That said, I'm biased because I have an 01; having driven DBW cars (S included) and VSA cars; it's not for me. I want to know that if I (the driver) ask too much and crash, it was my fault.
To each his own, VSA is definitely useful for those that love how the car looks and don't necessarily want to drive at the limit of the car or their abilities.
00-01 - The car is one of the purest forms of sports cars available. It will bite your head off if you don't respect it. It's just like a sportbike, it'll do exactly what you ask it to, but inexperience leads people to ask above their ability.
02-03 - Suspension gets tweaked (swaybars,etc), the car is a little softer.
04-05 - Engine changed to produce lower revving, and more midrange torque; easier power to use, i'd say. You don't have to work quite as hard to keep the car in it's sweet spot. Suspension tweaked again.
06 - DBW, VSA, etc introduced. VSA isn't going to make you faster around a track, it's going to keep you from asking the car for something and not being able to handle what happens.
That said, I'm biased because I have an 01; having driven DBW cars (S included) and VSA cars; it's not for me. I want to know that if I (the driver) ask too much and crash, it was my fault.
To each his own, VSA is definitely useful for those that love how the car looks and don't necessarily want to drive at the limit of the car or their abilities.
When a kid needs to learn how to ride his bike, are you saying that he/she shouldn't use training wheels? Just like as kids, when we learn our new equipment, we have the ability to take off our training wheels, as well as turn off our VSA.
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Originally Posted by sodaking663rd,Nov 2 2006, 10:28 AM
i understand you're slightly biased but why would you have a problem with a device that you can simply turn off if you don't want to use it? if i had it i would likely have it off until it started raining. i don't see how this is affecting how the car drives...unless YOU want it to.
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I understand what you're saying, but some of us would like to learn our limits without the risk of ruining our investment or our lives or other's lives at that.
When a kid needs to learn how to ride his bike, are you saying that he/she shouldn't use training wheels? Just like as kids, when we learn our new equipment, we have the ability to take off our training wheels, as well as turn off our VSA.
When a kid needs to learn how to ride his bike, are you saying that he/she shouldn't use training wheels? Just like as kids, when we learn our new equipment, we have the ability to take off our training wheels, as well as turn off our VSA.
Comparing it to training wheels is quite a stretch. Balance is a slightly different force to reckon with. Try riding a motorcycle, cars are quite two-dimensional in comparison. Same thing though, you don't buy an R1 or Hayabusa and put VSA on it so you can learn to ride. You buy a 250 because you're going to drop it and make mistakes and that's how you learn.
The S2000 is NOT a good car to learn to drive in.
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My manual for the '02 Passat I had was 1800 pages! The outside temp sensor would fail and cause the AC/heater to quit working completely. You couldn't even check the transmission fluid without a computer! It really turned me off to German cars.
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those pos vw's are built like that for a single reason and that is because dealers make way more money off the cars from service then they do off the initial sale. i mean why would you (as a manufacturer) build a car that lasts 20 years?? vw's in europe are built solid and are regarded by many europeans as the best company in the region. the ones here are built shoddily but the sales are still extremely high because of the customer base they have established here due to their alternative advertising and basic reputation.
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