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Old Aug 9, 2011 | 01:38 PM
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I got some CR steering braces... not fitted yet. Likely to improve things?

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Old Aug 9, 2011 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by CKit
I would like to see someone autocross or track without EPS (not being a smartass) and post impressions.

The steering effort is high enough that driver fatigue would probably become an issue in a racing situation. The question is, without the fatigue, would the enhanced steering feel decrease lap times? My guess, on a slow tight autocross, probably not. On a course composed of high speed turns, maybe.

I'm not in it to win it. I just want to be more involved. This mod gives me that.
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Old Aug 9, 2011 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Croc
Originally Posted by spitfirezip100' timestamp='1312846056' post='20859141
Hmm I have been bothered by the exact same problem with the S... feedback from the road being masked by the EPS system... My main concern with disabling the EPS would be in its link to the VSA on my 2006...

Does anyone know if disabling the EPS on a 06+ model would disable the VSA as well?
exactly the question that i was thinking about.

also - i hope sensor/motor don't get damaged in long term.
I wonder about this.

Will the motor be damaged? Probably not. The load being presented to it with the system off is far less than with the system on.

Will the sensor be damaged? Again, probably not. The readings it takes will not have changed significantly.

What will be damaged? The items which are designed with a specific load in mind, for example, the steering wheel, the steering column, bearings and steering gears which come after the EPS are not designed to handle the forces of you moving the unpowered steering wheel by hand. Premature wear might occur in these components over the long term. On the other hand, the change in actually forces applied to these components is pretty weak given that a human arm turning the wheels is pretty weak relative the cornering forces generated by a two ton vehicle. For this reason, I don't think I'm putting myself in danger from component failure. Unfortunately, not being a mechanical engineer, I can't guarantee safety for anyone.
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Old Aug 9, 2011 | 08:33 PM
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this all is very interestring.
would love to see more feedback/expirience.
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Old Aug 9, 2011 | 11:41 PM
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I have driven ap1s and ap2s, I can understand why you want steering feel. I think they did improve on the steering feel in later years. Just my opinion anyways. Ap1s steering wheel turns so easy, its like a video game wheel. The ap2s steering ratio being different, has a little different effect.
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Old Aug 10, 2011 | 01:02 AM
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I wondered if there is a difference between MY's... because on my 08 I can feel road surface through the wheel, and the steering does go light if grip is lost on the front wheels... I can tell immediately which wheel hit something slippery.
What I'm not sure about is the weighing up >before< it goes light and the grip is lost. Maybe you can feel that when you are good enough to constantly poke the limit.
I think I've used my butt sense to avoid spinning.

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Old Aug 10, 2011 | 10:11 AM
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You could also use a switch on the line with a relay to give you the option of turn EPS on or off within the car.
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Old Aug 10, 2011 | 10:20 AM
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Interesting.

One comment: I can't help but notice you talked about "having to turn the wheel with two hands".

A good driver never navigates a turn with only one hand on the wheel. Your control of the car is significantly reduced without both hands firmly on the wheel and hitting a bump in the road while cornering without good wheel control....hello ditch!

It bugs me when I ride in anyone's car and they are driving with one hand on the wheel on a curvy backroad or in traffic...no wonder there are so many accidents. You cannot react or evade an accident well at all with one hand.
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Old Aug 10, 2011 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by JLUDE
One comment: I can't help but notice you talked about "having to turn the wheel with two hands".
I understood that just as "It took so much effort to turn the wheel that I couldn't have turned it with one hand even if I wanted to"
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Old Aug 10, 2011 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JLUDE
Interesting.

One comment: I can't help but notice you talked about "having to turn the wheel with two hands".

A good driver never navigates a turn with only one hand on the wheel. Your control of the car is significantly reduced without both hands firmly on the wheel and hitting a bump in the road while cornering without good wheel control....hello ditch!

It bugs me when I ride in anyone's car and they are driving with one hand on the wheel on a curvy backroad or in traffic...no wonder there are so many accidents. You cannot react or evade an accident well at all with one hand.
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