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What's a boosted AP1 like to drive compared to an Evo?

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Old Jan 9, 2016 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by steven975
A SC S2K will be like a stock one, turned up to 16 .

A turbo S2K will have a similar powerband as other JDM turbo cars, but won't run out of steam at 5000. It will just. keep. pulling.
I figure that much. I do love high-RPM motors that hold power all the way; I know my Civic is comparatively bland, but 5800+ always makes me smile.

Originally Posted by zeroptzero
Sounds like a good plan given the condition of the EVO, and they aren't famous for their reliability. The AWD difference vs. RWD is something you have to consider depending on what you like. I think the boosted S2000 would be equally fun and easy to get into.
The AWD difference does exist, but I honestly don't use it much; in autocross yes, the rare time I drag race, but I wouldn't need it for daily use...I don't put myself in situations where I need that extra traction anymore.

Originally Posted by TJE199
I know you from somewhere (evo123 forums perhaps)! We might even actually be facebook friends. I've got a JDM AP1 for use as a race car and also have an Evo 1 GSR. In N/a form the S2K and the Evo won't compare. The Evo weighs less, and makes the same power with more torque and AWD. But super or turbocharged, the S2000 will probably be a riot. The biggest thing to keep in mind is the RWD vs AWD thing, as others have mentioned. The Evo can be driven foot to the floor all the time and will have grip and control. The S2000, especially boosted... not so much. But you would have a more modern vehicle with a more accessible aftermarket and Honda reliability. I know our Evos are hard to find parts for, so I can totally understand the desire for something that in most cases you can still drive down to the dealer and order parts for.
I'm sure I'm familiar with you and your car, but can't immediately figure out who you are (checked my FB, I only have a couple of Evo owners on there). The parts thing is manageable but silly at times. I mistakenly put an Evo 3 right trailing arm on my Evo 1 since it was damaged (previous owner), not knowing that the track width difference from 1-3 is in the arm itself. Let's just say my car will continue to have very, very funky handling until I somehow find another Evo 1 right trailing arm. That, and Evo 2/3 front control arms are impossible too...still looking for a pair of those. My Evo, maxed out with its 215s and MacPherson struts probably can't hold a candle to an S2000 with square 255s. I have wide quarters and fenders, plus a set of 245/40R17 BFG Rivals on 17x9 +37 Buddy Club P1s, but cutting quarters and painting the whole car is another $5000 I don't have.

Originally Posted by AP1Driver
An Evo does not weigh less than an S2000, and they are not the same power; the 0-60 time with good drivers is within a half a second, and the quarter mile is too, stock for stock; of course the Evo will respond to and be faster with bolt ons, but add boost to the S and properly tune it and a bolt-on Evo won't touch it. I speak from experience...
Mine is 2540 with no weight reduction. I could probably drop it under 2500 just by changing out the boat anchor Bride seats in it. With mild bolt-ons, my pile went 12.39@110 untuned, if it ever ran right with the EFR it would be easily in the 10s.

Originally Posted by Apex1.0
The purity of a s2k is its strong point. Pure performance driving perfection. If the only way you would take an s2k is boosted with 16psi, then I would suggest looking at other cars first. Something with more power stock. A c6 may do the trick. Also, try the z cars and maybe an fd.

Sounds like either way you are done with the evo. You know when it's time. Good luck with your new car search.
I do respect this opinion, but C6s are still in the 25k range and Z's have never done it for me. An LSx FD is my third choice behind the S2000 and my Evo. I would have the S2000 stock for awhile, I might just start with a well-kept stock S2000 instead of building a motor/transmission for the Evo right away. I was hoping somebody could be able to describe the exact same things I think of an Evo, and tell me that the S2000 is either better or worse. Possibly wishful thinking, but there are no doubt many who have made the jump as the S2000 is a phenomenal car in its own right.

This phase has happened before. I had a 5.0L Mustang until I got scammed on a pair of cylinder heads on eBay and completely lost heart in it. I sold that for a turbo Neon, which I had for 8 years and just sold to a good friend because I never drove it anymore thanks to the Evo. In October, I bought a BorgWarner S200SX that would have worked with the Evo (before buying the EFR), and when I finally flew home for Christmas, I found that somebody at eBay's international 3rd party shipper (Pitney Bowes) opened the box and removed the CHRA and turbine housing (the turbo was disassembled for shipping). So, I paid $450 for a compressor cover, and I'm feeling pissed and depressed about it, and the car. Usually I don't get over these things for some reason.
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Old Jan 9, 2016 | 11:02 PM
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Driving enjoyment can make up for a lack of power imo, but everyone is slightly different. Try to drive an S2000 spiritedly and see how it feels before you start selling parts/evo
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Old Jan 10, 2016 | 07:48 AM
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Well you shouldn't be discouraged with the things you mentioned above. Yea it does suck but that shouldn't make you lose interest right away. Perhaps you didn't like those cars enough.
I am an owner of a turbo s2000 and i will say that i will never drive a stock s2000 again. Its a totally different car and on the highway its hard to beat. With the right tires you can hook. I hook in every gear. But it will cost a little more if you want to track it. My best advice to you is to start with a low milage stock one. If you want to boost the gears on the ap2 are just too damn short. 03 ap1 is the way to go if you ask me.
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Old Jan 10, 2016 | 04:54 PM
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Old Jan 11, 2016 | 05:36 AM
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I my turbo S2000. I'm only making 296 whp (Greddy kit) but the surge to VTEC is incredible. I agree with the comment above though, good tires are a must.
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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 02:02 PM
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i Owned a 2003 evo 8 and my 2002 turbo s2000 both for many many years. I ended up selling the evo for a prius and keeping the turbo s2000 due to me driving 100 miles a day for work. The s2000 is a much more fun car to drive as long as the s2000 is boosted. Compared to a Non boost s2000 i would pick the evo for sure. s2000 are unbarable to drive non boosted but once you boost them everything changes.
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Old Jan 27, 2016 | 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by riceball777
i Owned a 2003 evo 8 and my 2002 turbo s2000 both for many many years. I ended up selling the evo for a prius and keeping the turbo s2000 due to me driving 100 miles a day for work. The s2000 is a much more fun car to drive as long as the s2000 is boosted. Compared to a Non boost s2000 i would pick the evo for sure. s2000 are unbarable to drive non boosted but once you boost them everything changes.
Unbearable huh? I guess that's why there are so many NA drivers still huh? I believe that may be the most ignorant statement I've read in a while. I've owned both and my turbo S was pushing well north of 500whp; I sold it and kept my NA. Different strokes for different folks. Personally, I love my torqueless wonder. I have other cars with "torque" if I'm out to shove myself into a seat...
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Old Jan 27, 2016 | 02:51 PM
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That is my option. A non boosted s2000 to me is very unbearable to drive because of how horribly slow it is. The s2000 is so a again and great is just the shear lack of thrust that really kills the car. But the great this is these engine can make so much power with boost with out even building the engine. But like I said this is only my opinion. Lots of people may enjoy driving a car that can only trap 100mph is the 1/4 mile. I for one don't enjoy driving a car that traps under 120mph is the 1/4 mile.
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Old Jan 27, 2016 | 04:03 PM
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2. Cool story, Toretto.
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Old Jan 29, 2016 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by riceball777
That is my option. A non boosted s2000 to me is very unbearable to drive because of how horribly slow it is. The s2000 is so a again and great is just the shear lack of thrust that really kills the car. But the great this is these engine can make so much power with boost with out even building the engine. But like I said this is only my opinion. Lots of people may enjoy driving a car that can only trap 100mph is the 1/4 mile. I for one don't enjoy driving a car that traps under 120mph is the 1/4 mile.
If 1/4 mile is a primary concern, you may consider a different car. S2000 is a drivers car. Rowing through the gears in a straight line is not really driving.

To each his own...
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