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Why does the Stook weigh so much?!

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Old Feb 18, 2001 | 11:25 PM
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I did not find the answer in the search archives, so am inquiring on this since my friend, who is just in awe of my Stook, asked me an interesting and simple question: "How much does the stook weigh?". TO which I responded, embarassingly, around 2800 lbs. He was shocked and amazed given that his older Legend COupe was only some 100lbs more in weight.

Why does the Stook weigh so much?!!

Other comparable cars, Miatas / Mr2's weigh in the <2400 arena, and although the Z3 weighs in at 3000lbs, it has a I6 and very old defunct E30 chassis hindering it. I have heard the weight of the engine at ~400lbs (quite high for a 2.0L 4 banger), and approximate the drivetrain components at ~600lbs max. This leaves roughly 1800lbs between the body, chassis, and other components.

What did Honda skimp (besides the power top) to make it so poultry?!
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Old Feb 18, 2001 | 11:31 PM
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Wut??? I thought the STOOK is fairly light comparing to other sport cars.
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Old Feb 19, 2001 | 12:11 AM
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I can't quite see what you are embarassed about, according to the manufacturers web sites these similar cars are also of comparable weights, the S2000 actually slightly lighter:

Porsche Boxter: 2855 lbs
BMW M Roadster 3.0: 2998 lbs
Honda S2000: 2809 lbs

Don't compare with the Miata or MR2, they are smaller cars and does not have the same performance. The S2000 has one of the most rigid chassies in the business and is what gives it it's handling, so i think they put the weight in the right places, as opposed to the BMW which i'm told is quite soft and flexible despite its weight.
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Old Feb 19, 2001 | 12:57 AM
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Consider the power to weight ratio of these cars and you'll see that the stook holds its own quite well:

Boxster S = 11.42 lbs./HP
Stook = 11.70 lbs./HP
BMW = 12.49 lbs./HP
MR2 or Miata around 16+ lbs./HP

I know, this ignores torque, but it's still a pretty good indicator of performance.
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Old Feb 19, 2001 | 02:35 AM
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Heavy compared to what?, a glass fibre with no elec. windows, no boot (trunk),no HID, plastic bag hand operated in two minutes by two people roof, no air con, and 120 Bhp Elise?.
It could be lighter but at what cost (in everyday driving sense?).
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Old Feb 19, 2001 | 02:39 AM
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Running through the S is a heavy steel X bone chassis.

This is:
A) Why it ways so much.
B) Why the S is stiffer than some coupes.
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Old Feb 19, 2001 | 02:54 AM
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Original SSX plans were for 220hp and 2200lbs. When
the S2000 came out in the high 2700's, it did seem kind
of heavy (still does). The Type R integra weighs roughly
2500lbs which I would think would be a more ideal weight
for the S2000 (lighter helps everything - braking, handling, mileage, acceleration)

I personally haven't seen any real way to save any weight and keep the car roadworthy

(spare tire - 30lbs, lighter wheels 20lbs, done)

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Old Feb 19, 2001 | 02:59 AM
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You will not find a roadster with a more rigid chassis. Period. In fact, it's more rigid than most sedans made today. That brings all kinds of benefits in handling, etc., but it does carry a weight penalty, as Aus2000 pointed out.
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Old Feb 19, 2001 | 03:11 AM
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What Rick said is true, but 2800lbs is still heavy. Not complaining here, just sharing the same thoughts with ST.
But surprisingly, the car does not feel that heavy when you drive it.

If they would bring the weight down to 2500lbs, I would be really happy.
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Old Feb 19, 2001 | 03:46 AM
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The engine weighs 326 lb according to Honda.

At least Honda designed the weight to minimize its handling problems by 50/50 weight distribution and small polar moment.

That really does make a difference. If you don't believe it, drive on ice. The S2000 with rear wheel drive handles snow with the stability of front wheel drive (with snow tires instead of SO2s.)

Barry in Wyoming.
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