why not V6 S2000?
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From: Baiting Hollow
Nothing beats an In-Line Six for smothness, torque and linear power delivery. It looks to me like an In-Line six would fit in the engine bay.
Add 2 cyliners and make a 2.5 Liter In Line six.
Let me dream a little ....
Figure a conservative 275 HP & 200 Ft/Lbs TQ.
Keep the redline at or close to 9000 rpm with peak HP and Torque occuring a little lower in the RPM band.
Add 225/45/17 front tires and 255/40/17 rear tires.
Slightly larger disc brakes that are cross drilled from the factory.
Perhaps a simple adjustable suspension.
Add 2 cyliners and make a 2.5 Liter In Line six.
Let me dream a little ....
Figure a conservative 275 HP & 200 Ft/Lbs TQ.
Keep the redline at or close to 9000 rpm with peak HP and Torque occuring a little lower in the RPM band.
Add 225/45/17 front tires and 255/40/17 rear tires.
Slightly larger disc brakes that are cross drilled from the factory.
Perhaps a simple adjustable suspension.
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Originally posted by Michael A
Nothing beats an In-Line Six for smothness, torque and linear power delivery. It looks to me like an In-Line six would fit in the engine bay.
2.0 liters / 4 = Each cyliner is .5 liters...add 2 cyliners ala a modular design and make a 2.5 Liter In Line six.
Nothing beats an In-Line Six for smothness, torque and linear power delivery. It looks to me like an In-Line six would fit in the engine bay.
2.0 liters / 4 = Each cyliner is .5 liters...add 2 cyliners ala a modular design and make a 2.5 Liter In Line six.
Puting an inline 6 in the S2000 would make the engine half again as large and half again as heavy. It would place the engine ahead of the front axle line and throw off the 50/50 weight ballance.
It would boost HP to 360 which would require a heavier drivetrain all the way back. That would require larger and heavier brakes plus heavier suspension components. This makes the whole car heavier and more expensive.
More HP requires more weight and weight begats more weight.
Be careful what you ask for....
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>>Bottom line is anything Honda wants to do with an engine they can do.<<
I'm curious to see how their F1 effort progresses. The Mugen F1 engines were not so hot and the current Honda F1 motors are midpack lumps.
Stan
I'm curious to see how their F1 effort progresses. The Mugen F1 engines were not so hot and the current Honda F1 motors are midpack lumps.
Stan
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Patience guys, it also took Mercedes a few years before they dared to poke a V6 into the SLK. And as far as i know Brabus i showing a V8 into that small punter these days, so I tink it's just a matter of time, and maybe a few sales numbers as well 
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From: Cape Girardeau
I was having this same argument (nicely) today with a friend of mine that owns the local dealership. He has wished for a V6 since the cars' inception, but I hope it never happens. I love this car, and all I truly want is for it to evolve. My personal dream is...
1.) 2.2L I4 with IVTEC producing 280 HP and 205 TR minimum
2.) 2,500 lbs maximum
3.) A/C, radio, and leather as options
4.) Lower FDR
This would accomplish a lot...do the numbers.
Andrew
1.) 2.2L I4 with IVTEC producing 280 HP and 205 TR minimum
2.) 2,500 lbs maximum
3.) A/C, radio, and leather as options
4.) Lower FDR
This would accomplish a lot...do the numbers.
Andrew
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>>Can't blame the engines for that. Put those engines in a McLaren, Ferrari or Williams car and watch how competative they would become<<
Actually, even Honda blames the engines!! They don't have the revs or power of the front running motors. That's why they have an all new lump coming for next year. In the long run the CART bux and personnel will help the F1 effort. Their '01 F1 engine was as much as 60-80 HP down on the leading engines.
Stan
Actually, even Honda blames the engines!! They don't have the revs or power of the front running motors. That's why they have an all new lump coming for next year. In the long run the CART bux and personnel will help the F1 effort. Their '01 F1 engine was as much as 60-80 HP down on the leading engines.
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From: Mish-she-gan
During the S2000's development the Porsche Boxster was the target. They beat the price by $10,000. They beat the hp by 23, with an I4 vs H6. They matched the weight within 12 pounds. They matched the 60 to 0 stopping distance. They beat the 0 to 60 mph by 0.6 seconds. They beat the top end speed. They soundly beat it in the hp/liter ratio by 120 vs 80. Similarly they put a fear in Munich (BMW), Stuttgart (Merc Bens), as well as Zuffenhausen (Porsche). Mission accomplished.
So, in turn, we now have the Porsche S with 10hp more than our car and a price tag of $20k more! The Bimmer Z3 became the M and matched our hp but the price tags $11k more. The s/c 4-cylinder SLK was replaced by the V6 but even that wasn't enough so they called on AMG for help and pushed the hp to 249hp and a price tag double ours!
When Honda brought out the NSX they were very slow to react when the competition upped the ante. That why the largest percent of NSX cars were sold in the first year of production, and since then its been almost nil.
So where does this lead us... who knows? Will Honda push the German cars further? Will they be content to have a nice nitch market in the mid-$35k and content to be the greatest value 160mph sports car on the planet? Who knows? One thing for sure, I can't image why they would put a V-6 in an S2000.
Bieg - welcome back.
So, in turn, we now have the Porsche S with 10hp more than our car and a price tag of $20k more! The Bimmer Z3 became the M and matched our hp but the price tags $11k more. The s/c 4-cylinder SLK was replaced by the V6 but even that wasn't enough so they called on AMG for help and pushed the hp to 249hp and a price tag double ours!
When Honda brought out the NSX they were very slow to react when the competition upped the ante. That why the largest percent of NSX cars were sold in the first year of production, and since then its been almost nil.
So where does this lead us... who knows? Will Honda push the German cars further? Will they be content to have a nice nitch market in the mid-$35k and content to be the greatest value 160mph sports car on the planet? Who knows? One thing for sure, I can't image why they would put a V-6 in an S2000.
Bieg - welcome back.
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This whole thread comes full circle from my original question. Why not a factory SC or TC?
1. None of the V6 increased weight problems come into effect.
2. None of the weight distribution issues change.
3. The fun of high RPM's stays in effect.
4. Cost change would be much less that the kits we buy.
5. Reliability & warranty issues go away.
6. It ups the performance game with German cars.
7. Much of the remaining car can stay the same.
8. This all could be fast & easy for Honda.
1. None of the V6 increased weight problems come into effect.
2. None of the weight distribution issues change.
3. The fun of high RPM's stays in effect.
4. Cost change would be much less that the kits we buy.
5. Reliability & warranty issues go away.
6. It ups the performance game with German cars.
7. Much of the remaining car can stay the same.
8. This all could be fast & easy for Honda.