Will Test pipe on a stock S2K do anything?
07-17-2006, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Dolemike,Jul 17 2006, 04:19 PM
YES, it IS worth it on a stock exhaust... you lose weight and gain noticeable power. It gives the midrange a nice throaty sound. If you have emissions just get the stock cat heat shield welded onto it.... noone will notice. The only drawback is 1. you can smell it (tho i kinda like it, so it may not be a drawback) and 2. If you dont wash the car regularly it will turn the bumper yellow (it washes off tho). SHould you add an exhaust then it is REALLY REALLY worth it as its usually combined to make around 10-18hp depending on the setup.
I really think it makes more of a GROANing sound....Those lovely smells and crap on your bumper would be the aforementioned unburned and partially unburned hydrocarbons, Highly toxic CO, and NOx and primary components of air pollution and smog....
Yummy!
"You smell that? I love the smells of incomplete combustion processes in the morning! Smells like VICTORY!"
Oh yeah, and until I see side by side Dyno's This claim of 18 HP is just
Or a bunch of hot exhaust gas.
07-17-2006, 01:22 PM
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From the Foundation for Clean Air Progress:
In 1950, there was more smog in Southern California than there is in Mexico City today.
Most major cities report that cars and trucks are no longer the dominant creator of smog.
It takes 20 cars today to produce the same amount of smog as one car from the mid 1960's.
In ten years, it will take 33 cars to produce the same amount of smog as one car from the mid 1960's.
I think about it this way: How many cars on the road today are running with test pipes/cat-delete pipes/straight pipes/atomosphere killers? It has to be much much less than 1%. 1 in 1000 would probably be an overstatement. The rate of emissions improvements FAR FAR FAR exceeds the rate at which more people test pipe their cars. Unless a significant number of people do it (which they aren't and won't) I can't see it making much of a difference in the long run.
Another point, how long are we going to be running on fuels that produce heavy pollution? 20 years? 50 years? In that time, the CATS or some other wondertech may be much more efficient than they are right now (and they are already very efficient). Test pipes may be a thing of the past then.
For what it's worth, I bought mine for the sound and as a building block for FI. Rat me out if you will.
In 1950, there was more smog in Southern California than there is in Mexico City today.
Most major cities report that cars and trucks are no longer the dominant creator of smog.
It takes 20 cars today to produce the same amount of smog as one car from the mid 1960's.
In ten years, it will take 33 cars to produce the same amount of smog as one car from the mid 1960's.
I think about it this way: How many cars on the road today are running with test pipes/cat-delete pipes/straight pipes/atomosphere killers? It has to be much much less than 1%. 1 in 1000 would probably be an overstatement. The rate of emissions improvements FAR FAR FAR exceeds the rate at which more people test pipe their cars. Unless a significant number of people do it (which they aren't and won't) I can't see it making much of a difference in the long run.
Another point, how long are we going to be running on fuels that produce heavy pollution? 20 years? 50 years? In that time, the CATS or some other wondertech may be much more efficient than they are right now (and they are already very efficient). Test pipes may be a thing of the past then.
For what it's worth, I bought mine for the sound and as a building block for FI. Rat me out if you will.
at least plant one infront of your house haha
07-17-2006, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainMike,Jul 17 2006, 11:39 AM
Hey Afwfjustin, Where can I find some of these "Environmental meetings" of which you speak? 
I guess when I was typing it I was thinking of a group of people that got together and discussed plans on how to clean up the environment. I dunno, I guess they exist somewhere. In any case, my point was that I don't work for the environment! I think it's great and I think people that strive to do good for the environment are A-OK in my book, but please leave my decisions to me!
07-17-2006, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by slimjim8201,Jul 17 2006, 05:22 PM
From the Foundation for Clean Air Progress:
In 1950, there was more smog in Southern California than there is in Mexico City today.
Most major cities report that cars and trucks are no longer the dominant creator of smog.
It takes 20 cars today to produce the same amount of smog as one car from the mid 1960's.
In ten years, it will take 33 cars to produce the same amount of smog as one car from the mid 1960's.
I think about it this way: How many cars on the road today are running with test pipes/cat-delete pipes/straight pipes/atomosphere killers? It has to be much much less than 1%. 1 in 1000 would probably be an overstatement. The rate of emissions improvements FAR FAR FAR exceeds the rate at which more people test pipe their cars. Unless a significant number of people do it (which they aren't and won't) I can't see it making much of a difference in the long run.
Another point, how long are we going to be running on fuels that produce heavy pollution? 20 years? 50 years? In that time, the CATS or some other wondertech may be much more efficient than they are right now (and they are already very efficient). Test pipes may be a thing of the past then.
For what it's worth, I bought mine for the sound and as a building block for FI. Rat me out if you will.
In 1950, there was more smog in Southern California than there is in Mexico City today.
Most major cities report that cars and trucks are no longer the dominant creator of smog.
It takes 20 cars today to produce the same amount of smog as one car from the mid 1960's.
In ten years, it will take 33 cars to produce the same amount of smog as one car from the mid 1960's.
I think about it this way: How many cars on the road today are running with test pipes/cat-delete pipes/straight pipes/atomosphere killers? It has to be much much less than 1%. 1 in 1000 would probably be an overstatement. The rate of emissions improvements FAR FAR FAR exceeds the rate at which more people test pipe their cars. Unless a significant number of people do it (which they aren't and won't) I can't see it making much of a difference in the long run.
Another point, how long are we going to be running on fuels that produce heavy pollution? 20 years? 50 years? In that time, the CATS or some other wondertech may be much more efficient than they are right now (and they are already very efficient). Test pipes may be a thing of the past then.
For what it's worth, I bought mine for the sound and as a building block for FI. Rat me out if you will.
2. Your logic sucks.. because we're eventually going to use up all the finite resources of fossil fuels, That's a good reason to pollute 20, or 33, or 150 times more than we should or would without a test pipe?
3. I'm not even going to argue point by point with the rest of your flawed reasoning.. Usually nobody reads this far into a post anyway.
07-17-2006, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Dolemike,Jul 17 2006, 12:19 PM
YES, it IS worth it on a stock exhaust... you lose weight and gain noticeable power. It gives the midrange a nice throaty sound. If you have emissions just get the stock cat heat shield welded onto it.... noone will notice. The only drawback is 1. you can smell it (tho i kinda like it, so it may not be a drawback) and 2. If you dont wash the car regularly it will turn the bumper yellow (it washes off tho). SHould you add an exhaust then it is REALLY REALLY worth it as its usually combined to make around 10-18hp depending on the setup.
On a side note, the level of pollution coming out may be worse than you guys think. I have a beater car that I park outside on my driveway next to some bushes. It had a failing catalytic converter. The bushes that are right next to wear I park my car all died.
07-17-2006, 04:10 PM
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If all you are doing is the test pipe, then don't waist your time. It would need to be part of a series of upgrades to do you any good at all. Why risk the fine, and extra pollution for a difference you can't feel.