Woah! check out this rotors/caliper conversion for the s2000
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dwb1
[B]13" rotors will not fit in stock 16" or anyone's 16" wheels . Large calipers increase weight , but don't improve performance . They will increase pad life if pads are larger than four piston or 2 piston or one piston . Total surface area of all pistons on one side will determine clamping force on rotor not number of pistons .
[B]13" rotors will not fit in stock 16" or anyone's 16" wheels . Large calipers increase weight , but don't improve performance . They will increase pad life if pads are larger than four piston or 2 piston or one piston . Total surface area of all pistons on one side will determine clamping force on rotor not number of pistons .
There are two directional components - the slotting, and the venting. Unless I missed something, I can't even tell if the venting is directional in the first place. I'm pretty sure the slotting, however, is proper.
Originally posted by wileecoyote
dwb1 is right. Those rotors are directional but installed backwards.
dwb1 is right. Those rotors are directional but installed backwards.
I had my 4-pistons brembo caliper on my S2000 and the stopping power is already phenomenal. Who will need a 6-pistons caliper on a 2800lb car?
That is like using an axe to kill a chicken.
Originally posted by dwb1
What I am looking at is internal vanes ,slots can be put on almost any way . If rotors have curved directional vanes the air enters in the center and gets expelled from outer spaces.
What I am looking at is internal vanes ,slots can be put on almost any way . If rotors have curved directional vanes the air enters in the center and gets expelled from outer spaces.
Ahhh, and on re-reading said thread I find a post by DBW [not to be confused with dwb1]:
after reading all the above,i'll have to side with the elegance/symmetry side....i think we're radiating heat here..with all the turbulance surrounding the inner aspect of the wheel in a dynamic state i really don't think you will be moving any air predictably...also i remember a technical article on porsche 917 wheel mounted turbine fans to cool the brakes...porsche discovered that although they worked well in the calculations,in a dynamic state[on a car at speed]that they didn't move an effective amount of air onto the brakes until the car reached 150 mph!!!!![and trust me,porsche would know for sure]so most of the "turbine" wheel designs we see are pretty much ornamental......as i think directional rotor vanes are.... just an opinion....
Originally posted by AusS2000
I thought that too, but do you remember the discussion with Luis about the Spoon rotors ? This later thread really get's into it. Their vanes are swept in one direction, so by your methods one is correct and the other is not. I went to a great deal of trouble to draw diagrams and all to illustrate this phenomena but was eventually convinced it was irrelevant. In fact, one of the external sources I asked was DBA, the manufacturer of the blanks for these rotors.
Ahhh, and on re-reading said thread I find a post by DBW [not to be confused with dwb1]:
So for these rotors to be backwards, then I assume the car is expected to do over 150mph in which case I understand the 6 spot calipers
I thought that too, but do you remember the discussion with Luis about the Spoon rotors ? This later thread really get's into it. Their vanes are swept in one direction, so by your methods one is correct and the other is not. I went to a great deal of trouble to draw diagrams and all to illustrate this phenomena but was eventually convinced it was irrelevant. In fact, one of the external sources I asked was DBA, the manufacturer of the blanks for these rotors.
Ahhh, and on re-reading said thread I find a post by DBW [not to be confused with dwb1]:
So for these rotors to be backwards, then I assume the car is expected to do over 150mph in which case I understand the 6 spot calipers
Brembo or AP had a detailed explanation on the correct direction of the internal ribs of the rotors on their web site.(but I forgot which one has it).
Assume you are looking at the right side of the car.(from the right of the car), looking at the front rotors.
The ribs should look like this:
****~ ~
******~ ~ <-------- ribs going this way
*******~ ~
******** -------> front end of car
*********| |
********* _____
********~ ####~
******~########~
******|###wheel###|
****** ~##center##~
********~######~
*********----------
To Aus2000, Your car and my car and that (highly modified S2000) all can go 150mph. A six-pot is way an overkill for a highly modified if lighten S2000) because lighter car needs less brake.
Anybody know where the explanation of the vane direction is please post the address of the web site.
What a coincidence, I was chatting to one of my friend about custome installing a AP Racing brake to my S2000 about 3 hours ago. This is exactly what I would do. but, I will buy a disk size that I want out of a catalog. I don't think I want to make one myself. otherwise, this looks really cool. I will opted a 4-pot instead of 6 pot caliper. Just for the price concern.
according to this picture the disk is defintely backward.

The direction of the slot does not matter that much. It is the internal vent that really matter. As the disk spin forward, it should direct the air out of the hub, not into the hub.
also, Brembo is good stuff, but most of them are not aluminum. If you get a AP Racing Caliper. It is made out of Alunminum. Like the one on my BMW. It is not heavy at all. It is actually lighter than my stock BMW caliper. Also, the aluminum center cap for the brake rotor further reduce the weight of the spinning mass. All in all, you might not get a heavier setup. I think for me, it is the same weight (stock vs. AP setup). remember the density for aluminum is roughly 1/3 of the steel or cast-iron. which means it takes 3 times the volume of steel or cast-iron to equal the same mass of aluminum.
here is an example of the right directional rotor out of my BMW. Both picture are out of the same corner. As you can see the direction of the vent is the opposite as the one from above.


If this is not enough, go to your local Porsche dealer and check it out. That should definetly solve our problem.
according to this picture the disk is defintely backward.

The direction of the slot does not matter that much. It is the internal vent that really matter. As the disk spin forward, it should direct the air out of the hub, not into the hub.
also, Brembo is good stuff, but most of them are not aluminum. If you get a AP Racing Caliper. It is made out of Alunminum. Like the one on my BMW. It is not heavy at all. It is actually lighter than my stock BMW caliper. Also, the aluminum center cap for the brake rotor further reduce the weight of the spinning mass. All in all, you might not get a heavier setup. I think for me, it is the same weight (stock vs. AP setup). remember the density for aluminum is roughly 1/3 of the steel or cast-iron. which means it takes 3 times the volume of steel or cast-iron to equal the same mass of aluminum.
here is an example of the right directional rotor out of my BMW. Both picture are out of the same corner. As you can see the direction of the vent is the opposite as the one from above.


If this is not enough, go to your local Porsche dealer and check it out. That should definetly solve our problem.




