S2000 Under The Hood S2000 Technical and Mechanical discussions.

Alignment after Compliance bushing install

Thread Tools
 
Old Aug 15, 2013 | 11:06 AM
  #11  
SpitfireS's Avatar
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 4,953
Likes: 25
From: 17 ft below sea level.
Default

I hope you used plenty anti-seize on all the bolts


And yes, I would get an aligment.
Find a place where they are able - and willing! - to adjust all 3 front settings.
Recommended front per side: max caster(*), -1 camber, zero toe.
(*) depends a bit on the chassis, everything over 6 degrees is nice, don't go over 6-3/4 degree.
Equal caster is more important than value, IOW see what the max is per side and use the lowest on both.

And don't forget the rear: -2 camber and 7-9 minutes toe-in max per side, IOW little toe-in, way less than what the computer will suggest.

So... even when....



You say: "I want little toe in at the rear!"

Reply
Old Aug 16, 2013 | 04:00 AM
  #12  
iamxpl's Avatar
Community Organizer
 
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 4,057
Likes: 14
Default

lol!
Reply
Old Aug 16, 2013 | 05:27 AM
  #13  
Jeremy Clarkson's Avatar
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 870
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by iamxpL
you only did 1 side? i usually change pairs specially when it comes to alignment stuff.
No, I did both sides.


Originally Posted by SpitfireS
I hope you used plenty anti-seize on all the bolts


And yes, I would get an aligment.
Find a place where they are able - and willing! - to adjust all 3 front settings.
Recommended front per side: max caster(*), -1 camber, zero toe.
(*) depends a bit on the chassis, everything over 6 degrees is nice, don't go over 6-3/4 degree.
Equal caster is more important than value, IOW see what the max is per side and use the lowest on both.

And don't forget the rear: -2 camber and 7-9 minutes toe-in max per side, IOW little toe-in, way less than what the computer will suggest.

So... even when....



You say: "I want little toe in at the rear!"

I used anti seize on the castor bolt I didn't use any on the rest.


Just out of curisoty how will camber and cater effect road driving/road tire wear?
Reply
Old Aug 17, 2013 | 05:48 AM
  #14  
SpitfireS's Avatar
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 4,953
Likes: 25
From: 17 ft below sea level.
Default

Originally Posted by Jeremy Clarkson
Just out of curisoty how will camber and cater effect road driving/road tire wear?
When you find a good combination of tires / shocks / alignment the car handles pretty much perfect.
But what is perfect?
People have different driving styles, different expectations, different experience and on-and-on.
As far as I'm concerned my car handles pretty good.
Yokohama Advan AD08 (OEM 16" sizes), Koni Yellow shocks (F1/2 open R3/4 open), Whiteline front sway bar, alignment see above.

In the 5-6 years of using the alignment I mentioned before I did not notice any extreme tire wear.
I'm still on my first set of front winter tires, this winter will be the 4th season.
This summer is the 3rd season on the Advan AD08's, the rears are at the end of their life though.
The S2000 is a sports car.
One should not complain too much about tire wear.

As far as I know:

Camber = good for cornering.
Downside = inside tire wear.

Caster = good for straight line stability.
Downside = too stable and it will not turn in.
Less caster = nervous at speed in straight line.
Uneven caster = unequal turn in L/R.

There is no debate about S2000 front toe, it's supposed to be ZERO.
Front toe - either way - makes the car turn in like crap, very nervous and not stable.

There IS debate about rear toe.
I was driving around with too much rear toe for a while and it felt like drag.

I like the way it is now - in combination with the tires and shocks (setting)
And that is toe-in between 7-9 minutes.

YMMV
Reply
Old Aug 17, 2013 | 04:05 PM
  #15  
BLAQ&GREYs2k's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 597
Likes: 1
Default

Ive done an alignment on my S and many other local members. There is enough adjustment in the stock adjusters to hit any kind of spec you are going for. 6.0 caster on both sides, 0 toe, and -1 camber is OE spec for the front. I believe the rear is like 0.16 total toe and -1.5 camber.
Reply
Old Aug 19, 2013 | 05:05 AM
  #16  
Jeremy Clarkson's Avatar
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 870
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by SpitfireS
Originally Posted by Jeremy Clarkson' timestamp='1376659634' post='22727690
Just out of curisoty how will camber and cater effect road driving/road tire wear?
When you find a good combination of tires / shocks / alignment the car handles pretty much perfect.
But what is perfect?
People have different driving styles, different expectations, different experience and on-and-on.
As far as I'm concerned my car handles pretty good.
Yokohama Advan AD08 (OEM 16" sizes), Koni Yellow shocks (F1/2 open R3/4 open), Whiteline front sway bar, alignment see above.

In the 5-6 years of using the alignment I mentioned before I did not notice any extreme tire wear.
I'm still on my first set of front winter tires, this winter will be the 4th season.
This summer is the 3rd season on the Advan AD08's, the rears are at the end of their life though.
The S2000 is a sports car.
One should not complain too much about tire wear.

As far as I know:

Camber = good for cornering.
Downside = inside tire wear.

Caster = good for straight line stability.
Downside = too stable and it will not turn in.
Less caster = nervous at speed in straight line.
Uneven caster = unequal turn in L/R.

There is no debate about S2000 front toe, it's supposed to be ZERO.
Front toe - either way - makes the car turn in like crap, very nervous and not stable.

There IS debate about rear toe.
I was driving around with too much rear toe for a while and it felt like drag.

I like the way it is now - in combination with the tires and shocks (setting)
And that is toe-in between 7-9 minutes.

YMMV

Very good info. Thanks.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Reapur
S2000 Brakes and Suspension
1
Jul 3, 2011 07:50 PM
gaus
Wheels and Tires
4
Jul 8, 2009 05:19 AM
S2Krazee
Ark-La-Tex S2000 Owners
36
Jan 13, 2009 11:25 PM
news2kroller
California - Southern California S2000 Owners
7
Oct 24, 2005 12:12 PM




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:42 AM.