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Best Time to Shift Into Neutral During Decel

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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 09:23 AM
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No S2000 needs to be double clutched. Ever.
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 09:27 AM
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The syncros are designed to balance the difference in rotational speeds and forces between adjacent gears. For this they work well. The speed difference between non-adjacent gears is too large for the syncros to handle long term under normal driving conditions, and you can literally start to strip the edge of the syncro teeth as they try to catch something moving too fast.

If you must, row through the gears with clutch disengaged.
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 10:03 AM
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Never hold down the clutch

The car should always be in gear and should never be in neutral unless you are at a complete stop or you are slowing down and are almost at a complete stop.

That's how your suppose to drive.
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 10:25 AM
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Interesting about using less fuel coasting in gear vs neutral, as this wasn't the case with old-school carbureted cars. There was nothing to shut off the fuel in a coasting scenario, so fuel was still consumed.

I knew modern fuel injectors were shut off during decel, but somehow it never occured to me that meant coasting was less fuel consumption than idle.
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 11:42 AM
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Reading this thread makes it sound like the throwout bearing is made out of fragile glass. In 20+ years daily driving manuals (Honda, Acura, Porsche) I've never had a throwout bearing fail. And sometimes I even (gasp!) hold the clutch when I'm stopped. Sure, it's more wear than idling in neutral, but your clutch will probably wear out long before the bearing. And when you replace it, you'll replace both.

So my answer would be - yes it's more wear if you don't release the clutch, but probably not enough to matter over the normal life of the clutch. (YMMV if you spend hours every day parked on the 405 in LA...)
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Old Jul 9, 2014 | 06:52 AM
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Exactly. Don't make it a practice and you'll be ok. But if its your habit to wait each light clutch in, in gear, the whole duration of the light, you're asking for trouble.

But of course, best practice is what Billman said, think of clutch as toggle switch. Best practice is not always attainable 100% of the time, but knowing what to shoot for helps you know when you aren't hitting it.
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Old Jul 9, 2014 | 08:58 AM
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I have learned the oem throwout bearing is near indestructible. I have also learned that most others that come with kits fall apart in 20k or less. I've seen it a few times and it's been reported also.

Anything I've seen from clutchmaster, cc, exedy has been extremely unreliable.
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Old Jul 9, 2014 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by riceball777
Never hold down the clutch The car should always be in gear and should never be in neutral unless you are at a complete stop or you are slowing down and are almost at a complete stop. That's how your suppose to drive.
You must not have an AP1! It's bloody loud leaving it in gear exiting the freeway. I just pop it in to neutral and coast. If I need to be back in gear it takes at most half a second to blip the throttle and put it in gear.
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Old Jul 9, 2014 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by arsenal
Originally Posted by riceball777
Never hold down the clutch The car should always be in gear and should never be in neutral unless you are at a complete stop or you are slowing down and are almost at a complete stop. That's how your suppose to drive.
You must not have an AP1! It's bloody loud leaving it in gear exiting the freeway. I just pop it in to neutral and coast. If I need to be back in gear it takes at most half a second to blip the throttle and put it in gear.
Own the buzz man.. own it!!
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Old Jul 9, 2014 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Billman250
No S2000 needs to be double clutched. Ever.
Explanation?

I also don't "need" a lot of things but they sure are nice..
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