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Best Time to Shift Into Neutral During Decel

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Old Jul 10, 2014 | 06:35 AM
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From the very first result in your google search.

Keep in mind the synchronizer also performs the function of spinning the input shaft to the speed of the gear you are trying to engage. So with a synchronized transmission, double-clutching is redundant. The synchronizers already match the speed of the gears so they engage. You don't have to do this yourself with the double-clutch. If you have good synchronizers, double-clutching is a waste of time.

However, keep in mind that double-clutching is from back in the era when cars didn't have synchromesh or the synchromesh was fragile. Newer cars have synchros to match gears between shifts and thus negates the need to double-clutch.
If you want to double clutch, more power to you. You may slightly reduce the wear on your syncro's, but unless you are making your syncros work really hard, you should have to worry about wearing them out too fast.
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Old Jul 10, 2014 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by DrakeValle
If you want to double clutch, more power to you. You may slightly reduce the wear on your syncro's, but unless you are making your syncros work really hard, you should have to worry about wearing them out too fast.
Couple notes. I never said double clutching is necessary. How much of a benefit it provides is certainly debatable, all I was trying to say is that it should in fact help. Skip shifting or if you happen to find yourself coasting and needing to select a gear it would help. As trannys get older (especially if they've been beaten on) it'll make a noticeable difference as well.

I was merely asking Billman why double clutching is never needed.. older hondas had issues with syncros wearing out, and I'll happily change my TO bearing more often and save some wear on my tranny. If the s2k syncros are more stout with little/no syncro wear then that's a good reason to not double clutch rather than just "syncros do that work."
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Old Jul 10, 2014 | 07:00 AM
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I've never double clutched. That's what the synchro a are for. 190K+ miles double stock power and stock trans is still nice and smooth! Double clutching with synchro a is a waste of time. Theoretically might reduce tiny amount if wear on synchros, real world don't see it being an issue at all.
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Old Jul 10, 2014 | 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by SpitfireS
Originally Posted by arsenal' timestamp='1404930599' post='23236562
It's bloody loud leaving it in gear exiting the freeway. I just pop it in to neutral and coast. If I need to be back in gear it takes at most half a second to blip the throttle and put it in gear.
That's a very bad driving technique.
You did read the freeway part right?
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Old Jul 10, 2014 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Moddiction
Double clutching with synchro a is a waste of time.
Some folks make it sound like you're building the pyramids or something , we're talking about just one extra push of the clutch pedal since you should be rev matching anyway.
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Old Jul 10, 2014 | 07:16 AM
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just rev match during the single clutching on downshift. clutch in, rev match while changing gear, clutch out.. double clutching is a waste of time.
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Old Jul 10, 2014 | 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by arsenal
You did read the freeway part right?
Clearly man you're a bad driver, just accept it. Don't you know that you're either supposed to be on the throttle or braking at all times??

Oh wait, we're talking about the street.. There are exceptions to the rule. I guess no one has ever coasted down a big hill/mountain in neutral.. or been coasting in traffic and had to skip a gear when downshifting..
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Old Jul 10, 2014 | 07:26 AM
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I used to skip shift in my DD all the time. When I got my S I stopped skip shifting because I learned that it is bad to do.
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Old Jul 10, 2014 | 08:27 AM
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to each's own. I rev match on down shifts while heel toe. Granted not all the time but I like to slow down and have the right gear in place. Just out of habit I guess ( stupid initial D ) But up shifting i just press in the clutch and let go of the gas a little later to let the RPM climb a little.
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Old Jul 10, 2014 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by SlowTeg
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Double clutching with synchro a is a waste of time.
Some folks make it sound like you're building the pyramids or something , we're talking about just one extra push of the clutch pedal since you should be rev matching anyway.

Why do extra work when it is useless?
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