No, Honda didn't fix oversteer in the AP1. But they only made small changes.

Your second and third lines seem to be saying opposite things. I didn't setup the car to oversteer. It already oversteered a lot when I bought it, in bone stock form. Then I made very small changes and it still oversteers a lot. My next step is slightly more dramatic (Miata rear sway bar).

I'll start a new thread when I get my car to handle the way I want. If that means installing an AP2 rear subframe, so be it. The other changes are easier to do first.

 

I didn't say your setup caused the oversteer. I said your changes still netted a car with way too much oversteer. I'm widely misunderstood. See?



My point is that, on an AP1, the other changes are either mostly ineffictive or have unpredictable/unrepeatable results because the bumpsteer is still running the show.

You (like Honda) are gonna trade getting 1 or 2 areas of improvement by a huge amount of other things either getting worse or having no reliable change, by doing all the tire/swaybar/alignment mods without addressing the rear suspension and it's monkey motion.

Its like building a solid brick house on top of a marsh bog.

But yeah, I understand trying other things first to see where your journey takes you. Maybe you find something new along the way.

The reason sway bars, etc work so predictably on some other cars (your Mazda2, or even an AP2, for example), is that there's not some other huge prevailing factor running the show.

 

Glad to kick up a passionate debate.

My favorite setup has always been a straight 6 in the front, 5spd in the middle and power to the rear(with some lsd magic). I have had a thing for s2000 since they first came out. Now that I own one, I look for reasons to drive it everyday, I love it! In the tight and twistys it’s the bees knees.

however, it has a nervous, twitchyness that I haven’t built confidence with. Yet.

my plan from the start was to get her in tip top running shape, and drive her for about a year before doing anything. Some of my other cars I modified, bought parts, before I even took delivery. The S is different. I think Honda nailed it! There are a couple things I want to do (square 17s, exhaust) but I love her in her timeless, stock form.

so next time I am in the shop, I’m going to even up all my camber settings, and add a little neg in the rear.