Hi Guys
greetings from downunder.
I'm having problems down here and I'm not confident the dealer knows what they are doing.
I have a 1999 S2000 and love it, just so much fun.
Took it in for a 60000k service around a month ago, they phoned me and said the master cylinder was weeping and should be replaced.
OK told them to do it, though I had not seen any evidence and had not noticed fluid level going down.
Picked the car up just on closing time, notice that straight away
the pedal action is wierd, like the last 25% of the stroke is graty feeling and not smooth. Phoned and advised of the problem and said I would get back as soon as I could get out of work for a while.
Little later popped the bonnet to check fluids etc and what do I see,
the new master cylinder is leaking, drop arounf the size of your once cent piece under the cylinder.
So made a time and went back to the dealer, sat around in the waiting room for about hour and a half, service advisor dude comes in and says the leak is actually coming from the slave cylinder and needs to be replaced. At this point I request to be able to enter the workshop and
point the leak out. So go out there, car is on the hoist a couple of feet in the air with the bonnet up. Lighting is not great and the shadow cast by the bonnet makes it pretty dark in there, suggest that maybe a torch would help, takes a while but finally one appears, I point the leak out
and 2 mechanics and the advisor and myseld stand around looking at it.
Finally they ask me what I would like them to do! Fix it would be nice
I say. OK they say and will replace under warranty but I need to pay for slave cylinder. OK lets do it, they have to order the parts in,
so I go of to a movie while I am waiting. Get a phone call to say all done and to pick up the vehicle. Guess what same wierd clutch feel.
Ring and say problem still there and again will get over when I can.
That was maybe three weeks ago and in the last week or so have noticed a drive line vibration. Occurs all the time under just normal driving. I put in neutral and let the clutch out and it is still there,
I leave in gear and push clutch in and is less much still there.
I go back to dealer yesterday and they bleed system again but problems still there. Say they don't know what to do next,
say I don't know either, but looking from where I am standing
I give them my car for service and a problem that wasn't there
before now is. After much discussion the advisor dude comes back
and say the manager has agreed to change both cylinders again.
But suspects that the vibration is internal in geabox/clutch,
and if I agree they will remove and inspect, if they have stuffed up they will fix but otherwise I will have to pay. I'm a bit concerned that if they change the cylinders and even fix the clutch action issue (which only last night went away to be replaced by a much heavier action on the last 25% of the travel) that even if they realise they did something
wrong will not admit it and I'll be out of pocket mega dollars.
The clutch engages about half way throught the travel.
If I push all the way to the floor the action(previously graty now heavy)
and then release but not all the way up the, about 1" from fully released, the pedal now can be pushed to the floor smoothly as often as you wish as long as its not fully released. When engine not running pedal is smooth for the full travel. Is there some way that maybe they have got some adjustment wrong and the clutch release bearing is not
fully disengaging? Hope you can shed some light on this, cause without some postive proof they did something wrong I can see me getting screwed on this. Thanks for any help advise you guys can offer.
Cheers from downunder
Peter

 

You should just go bump your first one:

https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.ph...pic=404986&hl=

Are you going to start a new thread every day if noone responds?

Mods, please dump one or the other.

 

 

"graty feeling" could be trapped air?
Bleed it with the car raised at the rear (if I remember correctly)
That or lack of grease on the end of the slave cylinder where it pushes the fork.
Its underneath the rubber boot, looks like a ball & cup.

New master or slave cylinders should NOT leak.

Your words:
That makes it their problem, right?

Good luck

 

Sorry XViper, didn't mean to be doing the wrong thing.
I'm not used to all the features on here,
have to be honest, don't even know what "bumping" is in ths context??

 

"Bumping" is merely going into a thread and posting a new reply to bring it back up to the top of the pile so people see it again. The simpest is to post a new reply and type "TTT" (standing for To The Top) or just post a single smilie like or

To tell you the truth, I did read it the first time you posted it, however, you've made it so long and tedious to read, I just stopped. You can reduce the post considerably by only posting important and relevent information. Maybe later, if I have more time to read it all and if noone else has posted up an opinion, I may give you my impressions of what's going on.

 

while were on clutch problems mine has recently started giving me some trouble.I have a act clutch kit installed along with a toda flywheel. The normal feel of the clutch was stiff and very smooth travel up and down. Basically in the morning when i first drive the car or anytime when it hasnt been driven for a while it is at first normal feeling, smooth and stiff. Once i have driven for a little bit like say 5-10 minutes it starts to feel alot softer and dry feeling, its not a squeak but when u push it down and release it back up it makes a rubbing sound like its dry. Could i need a clutch bleed or something, its very annoying as it just comes and goes.

 

xviper, thanks for the "lesson", I'll know for next time.
Yes it was a bit long I agree, I was just trying to fully explain
the situation/problem. Cheers
Peter

 

OK, still working through that lengthy post. A 60K KM service involves mainly a few inspections, which you could have done yourself.

I'll pick parts that I'll address:
If it was "weeping" you should have seen evidence of it. The very least, you would have seen the collected dirt in that area since the fluid would attract a film of crud over time. Did you? I think this was your first mistake. You should never trust a dealer without seeing for yourself first what it is they are referring to,especially when the thing was working properly to begin with. Common sense should have told you that since you have not noticed any level changes in the fluid, this leak should have been suspect.

This sounds like the plunger in the master cylinder is not pushing smoothly through the bore. Can you be sure it's a "new" master cylinder? Maybe they tried to fix something they broke during the work being done and now just took it apart to rebuild the old one and didn't do a proper job of it. Leaking of fluid is an indication of over tightening of the line connector going into the MS. Wipe it up to eliminate the possibility they just were sloppy and spilled some.

This is so full of shit that you just had to have smelled it. The slave cylinder is down on the side of the transmission. A leak there would not make it up to the master cylinder like you observed.

To me, this is almost like an admission of guilt and they're hoping you'll give them an easy out. Why else would they even bother to ask something so obvious? They didn't do a very good job. They likely broke it. They should fix it. Why ask?

It was the MASTER CYLINDER that was "weeping". What's the slave cylinder got to do with it. It's getting really fishy smelling now.

Doesn't sound like they did anything.

This may or may not have any relevence to the clutch cylinder situation. Can't comment with this little information.

Amazing how yet another new problem has developed. They're either extremely clueless or they are thieves trying to steal your money and time.

This is highly likely. They've botched something up and in the process, they have attempted to fix it by adjusting something else wrong. I'm on the other side of the globe from you, so anything I say is only speculation. Your clutch pedal should begin to find the friction point as you lift up off the floor about 1.5" to 2". It should be fully engaged before you get to about 1" from the top. The top should be free play. It sounds almost like they tried to adjust the pedal rod and changed the position of the friction point so badly that the master or slave cylinder plunger is working at one extreme end of its travel - at a point in the bore where the cylinder is not smooth. They may have committed the age old trick of selling you something that you didn't need, then botched that and then tried to fix it by adjusting something which should have been the very last thing to try when all else failed. The pedal rod adjustment should never be played with till all else in the clutch system has been proven to be in good working order.
You likely didn't need a master cylinder. You likely didn't need a slave cylinder. They should have left that whole situation alone. I believe their greed and incompetence crossed your path.
My only suggestion to you is to get the pedal action back to where it should be as I described. This will likely have to begin with playing with the rod, however, with all the other things that could have been botched by now, this might be too late.

 

This may or may not have any relationship to the topic of the OP. Since you got a clutch job, it may very well be that the installers made another reported mistake. That being, they didn't lubricate the necessary parts well enough when they installed the throw out bearing.