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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 03:47 PM
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Default Clutch rod freeplay

So from reading all the guides:

- You loosen the 12mm nut
- You press slightly against the clutch pedal do figure out when the resistance comes / until the point where no freeplay is left
- You turn the rod clockwise until it is fixed
- You then let go of the clutch pedal (it shouldnt move anywhere now)
- You tighten the 12mm nut

If that is correct then:

I turn the rod clockwise (it outside the clutch pedal which means it gets turned inside the cylinder). That way, the clutch pedal gets "higher" (longer pressing way) than my other pedals. My rod is already nearly completely screwed out of my clutch pedal. Which means there isn't much more I can do (I can't screw it clock wise anymore, well maybe a tiny little bit.. but my clutch pedal is already a lot higher than the rest of my pedals + the clutch is disengaging fast).

If that is correct -> I already changed clutch fluid and transmission fluid. Still 2nd gear grinding on my 10k miles 2004 S2000 :/

Any why is there still freeplay although the rod is nearly completely screwed out of the clutch pedal ? I feel like my clutch pedal is already too high / disengaging too soon.
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 04:03 PM
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To be honest messing with the pedal adjustment could seriously destroy your clutch. If the rod cones too far out of the cylinder it blocks the oil journal and will keep constant pressure on your clutch causing it to glaze and overheat. The problem isnt from the actual adjustment ( unless its adjusted too far out ) but from the fact its a self adjusting clutch in the sense that as the disc wears the pedal travel increases. If the adjustment isnt correct then as it self adjusts it pulls the rod too far out causing the same issue.. the rod has very minimal actual travel to wear its either pulled out too far ... or not pulled out enough. If its too far in you will be able to start the car and the revs will just climb with no gas ... that means its grabbing obviously hahaha. The pedals will always be off. Its never going to be optimal for heel toe. It will work but not optimal. If your clutch grabs and isnt slipping to begin with i highly suggest putting it back the way it was before doing damage and shelling out over a g note to replace the clutch. Sorry. I went through this last year and ended up with a ruined $1200 sos clutch setup as well as another $1000 to purchase and replace with new setup. Trying to save your wallet on this one
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 04:05 PM
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Find my posts on zero freeplay. its very easy.
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 04:05 PM
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And on another note a clutch that disengages about an inch from the floor is optimal its like reverse brake pedal. You want brakes working within a short pedal travel TO the floor... you want your clutch working within a short distance FROM the floor
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 04:24 PM
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Go here, great info, scroll down and start with my posts::

https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/289..._fromsearch__1
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Old Sep 27, 2013 | 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by dantediss
To be honest messing with the pedal adjustment could seriously destroy your clutch. If the rod cones too far out of the cylinder it blocks the oil journal and will keep constant pressure on your clutch causing it to glaze and overheat. The problem isnt from the actual adjustment ( unless its adjusted too far out ) but from the fact its a self adjusting clutch in the sense that as the disc wears the pedal travel increases. If the adjustment isnt correct then as it self adjusts it pulls the rod too far out causing the same issue.. the rod has very minimal actual travel to wear its either pulled out too far ... or not pulled out enough. If its too far in you will be able to start the car and the revs will just climb with no gas ... that means its grabbing obviously hahaha. The pedals will always be off. Its never going to be optimal for heel toe. It will work but not optimal. If your clutch grabs and isnt slipping to begin with i highly suggest putting it back the way it was before doing damage and shelling out over a g note to replace the clutch. Sorry. I went through this last year and ended up with a ruined $1200 sos clutch setup as well as another $1000 to purchase and replace with new setup. Trying to save your wallet on this one
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And on another note a clutch that disengages about an inch from the floor is optimal its like reverse brake pedal. You want brakes working within a short pedal travel TO the floor... you want your clutch working within a short distance FROM the floor
Your's is the first post telling me not to adjust the clutch. And while it makes sense since the clutch is self adjusting: I still believe there should be no freeplay in a clutch pedal ? So you recommedn not to adjust the clutch pedal at all ?

Originally Posted by Billman250
Go here, great info, scroll down and start with my posts::

https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/289..._fromsearch__1
Billmann250 I know this thread and read it like 20 times. And from what I understand, I did it just as you described in your thread (See my first post) ?
I loosen the nut, press the pedal lighty until the point where the freeplay is gone, I screw the rod so the pedal will stay in this "lighty pressed" position. Then I tighten the nut and I should have no freeplay anymore ?

We are talking about the freeplay of the clutch pedal right? You press it with 2 fingers and after a short way the resistance is feelable ?

In any case, when screwing the rod, all I think I am doing it lowering/highering the clutch pedal anyway.
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Old Sep 27, 2013 | 06:23 AM
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Clutch rod setting re-explained here:

https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/104...ed-sos-clutch/
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Old Sep 27, 2013 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Billman250
Clutch rod setting re-explained here:

https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/104...ed-sos-clutch/
Thanks for trying to explain it but I still don't fully understand this. Pictures/videos would be awesome. I replied in the linked thread.
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