Cracked Toda Header bracket
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From: Mother F'in TN
This just from AKH:
Wish we could've done more for you. We've sold lots of these manifolds over
the past 2 years and this is the first bracket failure we've seen. If it
was a defect in workmanship or design (determined if this occurred on more
than one occasion) I'm sure they would have replaced it.
Wish we could've done more for you. We've sold lots of these manifolds over
the past 2 years and this is the first bracket failure we've seen. If it
was a defect in workmanship or design (determined if this occurred on more
than one occasion) I'm sure they would have replaced it.
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From: Gold Coast
Originally posted by Slows2k
2 seperate issues, The detonation has stopped after re-mapping the Split second timing controller and adding an additional 3 degrees of timing retard.
2 seperate issues, The detonation has stopped after re-mapping the Split second timing controller and adding an additional 3 degrees of timing retard.
good to know that 3 degrees of timing retard can make a difference
good luck with your toda saga
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From: South of the pier, Huntington Beach, CA
Originally posted by Squeezer
well since toda isn't going to warranty it anyway, might as well take it to someone and have them weld the bracket back on and never buy toda parts again
well since toda isn't going to warranty it anyway, might as well take it to someone and have them weld the bracket back on and never buy toda parts again
Heed their warning about welding it or you might end up with a destroyed header.
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My reply to previous AKH E-mail:
I wish you could do more as well. Would Toda Racing like a copy of my ASE master tech card to show them I know how to properly install an exhaust manifold? Mugen had a similar problem with there header, And Replaced them.
I didn't buy a grey market Toda part. I went through a liscenced dealer, and you, AKH trading drop shipped it to me. I made an error in my previous e-mails, I purchased the header on 4-3-03,waited 3 months,then installed on
7-25-03. So the header has been on the car for 7 months roughly? If this is such an isolated incedent,Why won't they replace it? I will say this has soured me on buying any more Toda parts.
AKH's reply:
We do sincerely appreciate your business and your purchase through
authorized channels, and are regretful that things could not be resolved in
a manner which you would've liked. What other modifications to you have on
your engine? If you have something like a high power mod (huge NOS, blower,
etc) - anything that will cause the engine to torque much more than stock,
it would put excessive stress on the bracket.
My Reply:
Yes My car does have other Mods. It has had a Supercharger for 4 months. and 4000 miles. I also have a J's racing engine damper installed to dampen engine movement. Most cutomers that buy your header have other mods as well. Anyone who doesn't object to $1150 for a header, will probably spend more $ on other things as well. How many stock S2000's have a Toda header? Not to many is my guess. It doesn't really matter at this point, I'll still have my cracked header. There are plenty of these headers out there, I would not be surprised that more are broken than you know about. The only reason I found mine cracked is due to the fact that I work on cars for a living, and could locate the noise myself. Unfortunately with Toda Racing's policy, You probably won't be getting many calls on this. Your customers already know Toda's stance.
It's to bad, I was looking at buying a set of Work wheels as well.
I wish you could do more as well. Would Toda Racing like a copy of my ASE master tech card to show them I know how to properly install an exhaust manifold? Mugen had a similar problem with there header, And Replaced them.
I didn't buy a grey market Toda part. I went through a liscenced dealer, and you, AKH trading drop shipped it to me. I made an error in my previous e-mails, I purchased the header on 4-3-03,waited 3 months,then installed on
7-25-03. So the header has been on the car for 7 months roughly? If this is such an isolated incedent,Why won't they replace it? I will say this has soured me on buying any more Toda parts.
AKH's reply:
We do sincerely appreciate your business and your purchase through
authorized channels, and are regretful that things could not be resolved in
a manner which you would've liked. What other modifications to you have on
your engine? If you have something like a high power mod (huge NOS, blower,
etc) - anything that will cause the engine to torque much more than stock,
it would put excessive stress on the bracket.
My Reply:
Yes My car does have other Mods. It has had a Supercharger for 4 months. and 4000 miles. I also have a J's racing engine damper installed to dampen engine movement. Most cutomers that buy your header have other mods as well. Anyone who doesn't object to $1150 for a header, will probably spend more $ on other things as well. How many stock S2000's have a Toda header? Not to many is my guess. It doesn't really matter at this point, I'll still have my cracked header. There are plenty of these headers out there, I would not be surprised that more are broken than you know about. The only reason I found mine cracked is due to the fact that I work on cars for a living, and could locate the noise myself. Unfortunately with Toda Racing's policy, You probably won't be getting many calls on this. Your customers already know Toda's stance.
It's to bad, I was looking at buying a set of Work wheels as well.
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As far as welding it back on, Sorry I'm not pulling the header unless I'm installing a new one. Yes, I know a Very Good TIG welder that could put it back together.
The Fujitsubo bracket does appear to be adjustable, Which can allow variences in production tolerences. A good idea in my book.
The Fujitsubo bracket does appear to be adjustable, Which can allow variences in production tolerences. A good idea in my book.
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What do they consider is a reason to warranty the item?
From the tone on their reply, they sound like a Honda Dealer blaming your CAI for your Valve trouble.
I think R and D Motorsports should apply some pressure on AKH on your behalf. It would be in their best interest, because this will have an impact on their Toda sales in the long run.
IMPO, I think Toda should have just replaced it out of good will. Then they could have found the root casue of the failure and fixed it from an engineer/manufaturing standpoint. As it sits now, they only can guess at the cause and they are blaming you for it.
"What other modifications to you have on your engine?" Get real, they knew you had mods or you would not have had this in the first place.
From the tone on their reply, they sound like a Honda Dealer blaming your CAI for your Valve trouble.
I think R and D Motorsports should apply some pressure on AKH on your behalf. It would be in their best interest, because this will have an impact on their Toda sales in the long run.
IMPO, I think Toda should have just replaced it out of good will. Then they could have found the root casue of the failure and fixed it from an engineer/manufaturing standpoint. As it sits now, they only can guess at the cause and they are blaming you for it.
"What other modifications to you have on your engine?" Get real, they knew you had mods or you would not have had this in the first place.